Torque Converter Lock Up Switch

06-29-2006, 12:57 AM

Torque Converter Lock Up Switch an excellent PDF with detailed info on a lock up mod for the auto guys.

A big Thank You to TST products

http://www.cumminsforum.com/forum/at...0&d=1151454 502

Last edited by Andy : 03-24-2007 at 02:42 PM.

dusty218 · 08-04-2006, 03:24 PM

ats has got a really nice converter control out now to it is called the co-pilot

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black_cherry · 09-19-2006, 12:11 AM

has anybody done this lockup switch thereself, to their own vehicle??? to see if it works ok? j.w.

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CUMMINS114 · 09-21-2006, 06:29 PM

I know someone who just did this this weekend on a newer cummins. How would a stock trans react to this kind of action? my thaughts is not so well.

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- imported 1992 VW Golf GTD special- tweaked pump, muffler delete

Turbo · 09-22-2006, 11:43 PM

I would like to know what someone has to say as well. I am thinking about doing one myself but worried what will happen to the stock tranny if I do. I have bought everything to do it and I am even going to add an additional switch on the throttle so it will only activate when you are at WOT but with an overide switch so if you want it on you can turn it on. So, I would have a master, a WOT, and an overide.

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Justin Tyme Autocraft
2000 2500 SLT Laramie Quad LWB - PICS

BornFree1983 · 12-01-2006, 09:23 PM

I purchased my truck (01) used a few months ago. It came with the BD Torqlock installed already along with a retarder. From what I understand the Torqloc locks the TC for Highway efficiency and Retarder efficiency. I am leary to use it without a Tranny temp gauge. My question is why would turbo want it only to run at WOT? WOT from a standstill would cause the tranny to slip excessivley from a standstill but flying down the hwy would be fine correct??? I am not questioning your logic Turbo, just trying to figure out my equipment w/out trashing my new toy. this is from BDs website.

TorqLoc Transmission Controls

Torque converters in the newer trucks have 2 stages: (1) a fluid coupling occurs first when you are starting, accelerating or pulling up a big hill, (2) when you are cruising at a constant speed the lock up portion of the converter is engaged and 100% of each rpm is transferred through the converter, just like a standard clutch.

With the TorqLoc toggle switch in the first position the lock up clutch is engaged and 100% of the rpm is transferred, transmission temperatures remain low and engine retarders work at 100%. This position is manual and should only be used manually just like a gear would be selected. Factory convertor (and aftermarket) clutch and drive clutch designs have torque limitations and this function should only be used under light load and light power conditions. A adjustable pressure switch is available to disengage the lock up clutch once a set boost pressure or load has been achieved.

The second position converts the application back to stock operation or it can be wired to unloc the convertor.

The third position is an AutoLoc position that only maintains a lock up when the stock computer has already established a circuit. This position can be safely selected for retarding or under heavy power and load applications. This position can be selected for every day driving in all situations.

The TorqLoc also has an overdrive inverter option to have the transmission start in drive.

The lock up can be set to hold on untill 5-10 MPH if you have 2nd gear lock up for slow driving condidtions.
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As for lockup with the Retarder it will keep the TC locked up while you are slowing down causing the tranny to stay in OD all the way to a red light if you let it. I have used Exhaust brakes on several different Fire Trucks, this is my first small truck w/retarder. It doesn' seem to pull me back near as hard as the fire trucks do. From what I read the Retarder should output near the same amount of HP you generate accelerating in Braking Power. I am not sure if this would be the Retarder or the Torqloc? I'll shoot an email to BD.

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'01 2500;Quadzilla Pulse w/ Adrenaline; BHAF;BD Torq lock; BD Exhaust Brake; Tekonsha Voyager Brake Controller

Carpe Diem

CUMMINS114 · 12-02-2006, 07:24 PM

you can put it in what ever gear you like and lock it in there.like dyno pulls or pulling so it doesnt shift.

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-2002 SPORT 2500 4x4 cummins- 2.8,p-pump conversion, fluid dampner, studded, fire ringed machined off intake ported and polished head. "SMOKIN' RAM"
- imported 1992 VW Golf GTD special- tweaked pump, muffler delete

**2141pete** · 12-02-2006, 07:39 PM

I have a mystery switch( TQ lock up) it works great.

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2002 dodge 2500 4x4 24v, 175 pump, 4k GSK, 191 DV's, Mack plug, .093" lines and tubes, HD Cam, twins, 8x.011's, and a few other things

Turbo · 12-03-2006, 10:15 AM

Your signature also says you have "Goerends tranny," which means you dont have a stock tranny which is what we are talking about.

__________________
Justin Harris
Justin Tyme Autocraft
2000 2500 SLT Laramie Quad LWB - PICS

BornFree1983 · 12-04-2006, 09:27 AM

My TC Lock only engages in Overdrive and third (if I turn off the OD).

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'01 2500;Quadzilla Pulse w/ Adrenaline; BHAF;BD Torq lock; BD Exhaust Brake; Tekonsha Voyager Brake Controller

Carpe Diem

***Mopar1973Man*** · 12-04-2006, 09:39 AM

Sad but true... My Cummins doesn't have a auto but Mom's Gasser does... I'm wonderingif the TC lockup switch would work on a 1996 Dodge RAM V8 Magnum the same is for the Cummins???

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06-29-2006, 12:57 AM	#1 (permalink)
Guest Posts: n/a	Torque Converter Lock Up Switch Torque Converter Lock Up Switch an excellent PDF with detailed info on a lock up mod for the auto guys. A big Thank You to TST products http://www.cumminsforum.com/forum/at...0&d=1151454 502 Last edited by Andy : 03-24-2007 at 02:42 PM.

12-01-2006, 09:23 PM	#6 (permalink)
BornFree1983 Cummins Fan Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Texas Posts: 51 Thanks: 1 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts BornFree1983's Truck Pics	BD Torq Lock I purchased my truck (01) used a few months ago. It came with the BD Torqlock installed already along with a retarder. From what I understand the Torqloc locks the TC for Highway efficiency and Retarder efficiency. I am leary to use it without a Tranny temp gauge. My question is why would turbo want it only to run at WOT? WOT from a standstill would cause the tranny to slip excessivley from a standstill but flying down the hwy would be fine correct??? I am not questioning your logic Turbo, just trying to figure out my equipment w/out trashing my new toy. this is from BDs website. TorqLoc Transmission Controls Torque converters in the newer trucks have 2 stages: (1) a fluid coupling occurs first when you are starting, accelerating or pulling up a big hill, (2) when you are cruising at a constant speed the lock up portion of the converter is engaged and 100% of each rpm is transferred through the converter, just like a standard clutch. With the TorqLoc toggle switch in the first position the lock up clutch is engaged and 100% of the rpm is transferred, transmission temperatures remain low and engine retarders work at 100%. This position is manual and should only be used manually just like a gear would be selected. Factory convertor (and aftermarket) clutch and drive clutch designs have torque limitations and this function should only be used under light load and light power conditions. A adjustable pressure switch is available to disengage the lock up clutch once a set boost pressure or load has been achieved. The second position converts the application back to stock operation or it can be wired to unloc the convertor. The third position is an AutoLoc position that only maintains a lock up when the stock computer has already established a circuit. This position can be safely selected for retarding or under heavy power and load applications. This position can be selected for every day driving in all situations. The TorqLoc also has an overdrive inverter option to have the transmission start in drive. The lock up can be set to hold on untill 5-10 MPH if you have 2nd gear lock up for slow driving condidtions. -------------------------------------------------- As for lockup with the Retarder it will keep the TC locked up while you are slowing down causing the tranny to stay in OD all the way to a red light if you let it. I have used Exhaust brakes on several different Fire Trucks, this is my first small truck w/retarder. It doesn' seem to pull me back near as hard as the fire trucks do. From what I read the Retarder should output near the same amount of HP you generate accelerating in Braking Power. I am not sure if this would be the Retarder or the Torqloc? I'll shoot an email to BD. __________________ '01 2500;Quadzilla Pulse w/ Adrenaline; BHAF;BD Torq lock; BD Exhaust Brake; Tekonsha Voyager Brake Controller Carpe Diem

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08-04-2006, 03:24 PM	#2 (permalink)
dusty218 Cummins Enthusiast Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: St. Louis Mo Posts: 202 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts dusty218's Truck Pics	ats has got a really nice converter control out now to it is called the co-pilot __________________ six speed,4x4, quad cab,4" exhaust,silencer ring MIA,Auto meter ultra light gauges,pyro,boost,fuel press,edge comp, amsoil 4510 intake,south bend ofe, 95gph fass, rv275

09-19-2006, 12:11 AM	#3 (permalink)
black_cherry Newbie Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Kirvin Posts: 5 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts black_cherry's Truck Pics	has anybody done this lockup switch thereself, to their own vehicle??? to see if it works ok? j.w. __________________ 2001, 2500- SWB,auto,2wd, 4" exh. w/6" tip, home-made intake, Edge Juice w/attitude, J-Hook. "HELL NAW IT AIN'T A HEMI!!!!!"

09-21-2006, 06:29 PM	#4 (permalink)
CUMMINS114 Cummins Nut Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Waukesha, Wisconsin Posts: 319 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts CUMMINS114's Truck Pics	I know someone who just did this this weekend on a newer cummins. How would a stock trans react to this kind of action? my thaughts is not so well. __________________ -2002 SPORT 2500 4x4 cummins- 2.8,p-pump conversion, fluid dampner, studded, fire ringed machined off intake ported and polished head. "SMOKIN' RAM" - imported 1992 VW Golf GTD special- tweaked pump, muffler delete

09-22-2006, 11:43 PM	#5 (permalink)
Turbo Cummins Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: North Texas Posts: 121 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Turbo's Truck Pics	I would like to know what someone has to say as well. I am thinking about doing one myself but worried what will happen to the stock tranny if I do. I have bought everything to do it and I am even going to add an additional switch on the throttle so it will only activate when you are at WOT but with an overide switch so if you want it on you can turn it on. So, I would have a master, a WOT, and an overide. __________________ Justin Harris Justin Tyme Autocraft 2000 2500 SLT Laramie Quad LWB - PICS

12-02-2006, 07:24 PM	#7 (permalink)
CUMMINS114 Cummins Nut Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Waukesha, Wisconsin Posts: 319 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts CUMMINS114's Truck Pics	you can put it in what ever gear you like and lock it in there.like dyno pulls or pulling so it doesnt shift. __________________ -2002 SPORT 2500 4x4 cummins- 2.8,p-pump conversion, fluid dampner, studded, fire ringed machined off intake ported and polished head. "SMOKIN' RAM" - imported 1992 VW Golf GTD special- tweaked pump, muffler delete

12-02-2006, 07:39 PM	#8 (permalink)
2141pete MS Chapter President Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Gulfport, MS Posts: 3,285 Thanks: 2 Thanked 5 Times in 4 Posts 2141pete's Truck Pics	I have a mystery switch( TQ lock up) it works great. __________________ 2002 dodge 2500 4x4 24v, 175 pump, 4k GSK, 191 DV's, Mack plug, .093" lines and tubes, HD Cam, twins, 8x.011's, and a few other things

12-03-2006, 10:15 AM	#9 (permalink)
Turbo Cummins Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: North Texas Posts: 121 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Turbo's Truck Pics	Your signature also says you have "Goerends tranny," which means you dont have a stock tranny which is what we are talking about. __________________ Justin Harris Justin Tyme Autocraft 2000 2500 SLT Laramie Quad LWB - PICS

12-04-2006, 09:27 AM	#10 (permalink)
BornFree1983 Cummins Fan Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Texas Posts: 51 Thanks: 1 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts BornFree1983's Truck Pics	My TC Lock only engages in Overdrive and third (if I turn off the OD). __________________ '01 2500;Quadzilla Pulse w/ Adrenaline; BHAF;BD Torq lock; BD Exhaust Brake; Tekonsha Voyager Brake Controller Carpe Diem

12-04-2006, 09:39 AM	#11 (permalink)
*Mopar1973Man* www.Mopar1973Man.com Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: New Meadows, Idaho Posts: 11,043 Thanks: 209 Thanked 584 Times in 457 Posts Mopar1973Man's Truck Pics	Sad but true... My Cummins doesn't have a auto but Mom's Gasser does... I'm wonderingif the TC lockup switch would work on a 1996 Dodge RAM V8 Magnum the same is for the Cummins??? __________________ Michael Nelson - 2002 Dodge Cummins For Technical Assistance With Your 24V 2nd Generation Cummins - Click Here! Or Search CF.Com for an Answer Remember to smack the *THANKS!* button for those that helped you or you think that post is helpful to others!