Fuel Shutoff Solenoid Sticker SHOCK !!

M K · 11-04-2009, 10:41 AM

My truck has not been starting right , sometimes it will start the first time but most of the time I have to try to start it anywhere from 2 to 6 times . I was thinking that it is the fuel shut off solenoid so I went to the Dodge stealer to see if they had one & I was floored when they gave me the price $ 615.00 plus $ 48.28 in tax for a total of $ 663.28 . I cleaned the the fuel shut off relay & the connection & will see how the truck starts today . I went to a auto parts store & they have a universal shut off solenoid but I don,t know if it will work on the truck also where can I get the relay ? Should I replace the relay first & how can I test the relay to see if that is the problem ?

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***mathews8pt*** · 11-04-2009, 10:44 AM

Does it just crank for a long time when trying to start? Sounds more like an over flow valve issue than a fuel solenoid.

BTW, got my shut off solenoid for ~ 180 shipped off ebay

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drunk on diesel · 11-04-2009, 10:44 AM

why would you pay dealer markup? go to Cummins or to an injection shop

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FlaCracker · 11-04-2009, 11:45 AM

First off, that price is crazy. You can get it from Genos Garage for $198.00, I bought one. A quick way to verify if it is the shutoff solenoid, is to disconnect the linkage of the fuel-shutoff valve from the fuel-shutoff valve. Then move the shutoff vavle linkage manually, toward the front of the truck. This will enable the fuel flow to the IP. If it starts okay then, you know it is an issue with the fuel-shutoff solenoid. If not, look else where. As stated previously, could be the shutoff relay sticking, which is located on the firewall above the engine.

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98 Ram 3500 Dually, 4x4, Quadcab. HP215 IP, 90 HP injectors, AFE Filter, Gutted AFC/No Plate, 60 lb springs, 4K GSK, Super B Special (64/14/72), 4" exhaust, Pyro/Boost Pillar, Tranny:Suncoast TC and VB, Trans-Go Shift Kit, Race clutches/steel pistons/springs

Jameson Bearden · 11-04-2009, 11:48 AM

got one off ebay for about 100 bucks about two years ago..never had so much as a hiccup out of it..700 dollars is ridiculous

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ykdave · 11-04-2009, 11:58 AM

The shutoff solenoid is a very simple electromagnet, they RARELY go bad unless they are overheated due to sticking starter contacts.

Pull yours apart, inspect the boot for any signs or wear/damage, clean it out thuroughly, reinstall and readjust the arm length.

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Custom Intake Tube+ BHAF, Pump Tuning, Autometer Pyro and Boost gauges, Dual 4" stacks, 33x12.5 Mud terrains, posi-lok, One Hella sound system, tons more to come

M K · 11-04-2009, 12:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mathews8pt

Does it just crank for a long time when trying to start? Sounds more like an over flow valve issue than a fuel solenoid.

BTW, got my shut off solenoid for ~ 180 shipped off ebay

No I don,t crank it long about 3 seconds and then I turn off the key & try to restart , most of the time it will start the 2nd or 3rd try but it has gone up to 6 tries a few time , when the truck starts it will start right away , sometimes the truck will start the 1st time .

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97 - 2500 club cab 8ft box , 2 wheel drive auto trans 4:10 rear end , BHAF,heat shield & AFE intake tube, Autometer boost, pyro ,trans temp guages , stock afc plate moved forward , AFE 4" stainless turbo back exhaust , Alpha bed liner ,repainted white

illflem · 11-04-2009, 12:39 PM

Dave is correct.
The solenoid is by far the most needlessly replaced item on a 12 valve, the problem almost always lies elsewhere.
Unless the outside is very visibly burned up from the lift coil staying on due to worn out starter contacts the solenoid is very likely just fine.

Problem is most often the blue wire at the battery corroded, bad relay on the firewall or missing boot that has allowed the solenoid to get gunked up and bind.

Read about it and buy parts here> LarryB's Dodge starting problems solved here.

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'95 2500 4wd auto
'95 3500 5 speed heavy hauler
Not stock

98snowman · 11-04-2009, 04:01 PM

got a fuel solenoid brand new from BD diesel a couple months ago for 235 bucks or something like that. im pretty sure its the company that made them originally for cummins too. not sure but it works great and wasnt 660 dollars.

ozarkdiesel · 11-04-2009, 04:52 PM

Have you checked the solenoid with the key on and see if its up? If not pull it up manualy and c if it starts.

HEEPJEEP · 11-04-2009, 09:27 PM

Shutoff Solenoid 12 Valve Requires Adapter City Diesel - Diesel Performance

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deck60 · 11-04-2009, 11:31 PM

I just bought one off ebay for 138.50 with free shipping that is the cheapest I have found

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M K Cummins Fanatic Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 163 Thanks: 1 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts M K's Truck Pics	Fuel Shutoff Solenoid Sticker SHOCK !! My truck has not been starting right , sometimes it will start the first time but most of the time I have to try to start it anywhere from 2 to 6 times . I was thinking that it is the fuel shut off solenoid so I went to the Dodge stealer to see if they had one & I was floored when they gave me the price $ 615.00 plus $ 48.28 in tax for a total of $ 663.28 . I cleaned the the fuel shut off relay & the connection & will see how the truck starts today . I went to a auto parts store & they have a universal shut off solenoid but I don,t know if it will work on the truck also where can I get the relay ? Should I replace the relay first & how can I test the relay to see if that is the problem ? __________________ 97 - 2500 club cab 8ft box , 2 wheel drive auto trans 4:10 rear end , BHAF,heat shield & AFE intake tube, Autometer boost, pyro ,trans temp guages , stock afc plate moved forward , AFE 4" stainless turbo back exhaust , Alpha bed liner ,repainted white

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11-04-2009, 10:44 AM	#2 (permalink)
*mathews8pt* TECH SPECIALIST Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Cardington, Ohio Posts: 3,669 Thanks: 2 Thanked 202 Times in 128 Posts mathews8pt's Truck Pics	Does it just crank for a long time when trying to start? Sounds more like an over flow valve issue than a fuel solenoid. BTW, got my shut off solenoid for ~ 180 shipped off ebay __________________ 2000 QCSB, built auto, P7100, 131 dvs, 4gsk, .084 lines and tubes, 7 x .014s, 22*s, maxspool 2.5 cam, 110# valve springs, 125ft lb head bolts, 66/74/.9 ohiocoalrollers.com

11-04-2009, 10:44 AM	#3 (permalink)
drunk on diesel Diesel Head Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 3,121 Thanks: 3 Thanked 88 Times in 76 Posts drunk on diesel's Truck Pics	why would you pay dealer markup? go to Cummins or to an injection shop __________________ '06 Mega Cab 2500 4x4 auto. Smarty, built auto, etc. '98 12v quad/long 2wd 5sp. studs, o-rings, FE, etc.

11-04-2009, 11:45 AM	#4 (permalink)
FlaCracker Cummins Nut Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Crestview, Fl Posts: 324 Thanks: 0 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts FlaCracker's Truck Pics	First off, that price is crazy. You can get it from Genos Garage for $198.00, I bought one. A quick way to verify if it is the shutoff solenoid, is to disconnect the linkage of the fuel-shutoff valve from the fuel-shutoff valve. Then move the shutoff vavle linkage manually, toward the front of the truck. This will enable the fuel flow to the IP. If it starts okay then, you know it is an issue with the fuel-shutoff solenoid. If not, look else where. As stated previously, could be the shutoff relay sticking, which is located on the firewall above the engine. __________________ 98 Ram 3500 Dually, 4x4, Quadcab. HP215 IP, 90 HP injectors, AFE Filter, Gutted AFC/No Plate, 60 lb springs, 4K GSK, Super B Special (64/14/72), 4" exhaust, Pyro/Boost Pillar, Tranny:Suncoast TC and VB, Trans-Go Shift Kit, Race clutches/steel pistons/springs

11-04-2009, 11:48 AM	#5 (permalink)
Jameson Bearden Cummins Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Chatsworth, Ga Posts: 118 Thanks: 4 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Jameson Bearden's Truck Pics	got one off ebay for about 100 bucks about two years ago..never had so much as a hiccup out of it..700 dollars is ridiculous __________________ 1997 3500 DRW, 4x4, NV4500, 4.10 gears, ext cab, flatbed, #6 plate, afc slid forward, starwheel cranked, K&N CAI, on board air, wastegate plugged, straight piped to 5 inch turnout stacks, flip out tow mirrors, PSC power steering pump and fluid cooler

11-04-2009, 11:58 AM	#6 (permalink)
ykdave Diesel Head Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Yellowknife, NT, Canada Posts: 3,853 Thanks: 0 Thanked 76 Times in 62 Posts ykdave's Truck Pics	The shutoff solenoid is a very simple electromagnet, they RARELY go bad unless they are overheated due to sticking starter contacts. Pull yours apart, inspect the boot for any signs or wear/damage, clean it out thuroughly, reinstall and readjust the arm length. __________________ 97 Ram 2500 / 5.9ctd /NV4500/241DHD Custom Intake Tube+ BHAF, Pump Tuning, Autometer Pyro and Boost gauges, Dual 4" stacks, 33x12.5 Mud terrains, posi-lok, One Hella sound system, tons more to come

11-04-2009, 12:39 PM	#8 (permalink)
illflem Moderator Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Montana Posts: 4,961 Thanks: 4 Thanked 143 Times in 131 Posts illflem's Truck Pics	Dave is correct. The solenoid is by far the most needlessly replaced item on a 12 valve, the problem almost always lies elsewhere. Unless the outside is very visibly burned up from the lift coil staying on due to worn out starter contacts the solenoid is very likely just fine. Problem is most often the blue wire at the battery corroded, bad relay on the firewall or missing boot that has allowed the solenoid to get gunked up and bind. Read about it and buy parts here> LarryB's Dodge starting problems solved here. __________________ Bill '95 2500 4wd auto '95 3500 5 speed heavy hauler Not stock

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98snowman Cummins Fan Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: northern pennsylvania Posts: 42 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post 98snowman's Truck Pics	got a fuel solenoid brand new from BD diesel a couple months ago for 235 bucks or something like that. im pretty sure its the company that made them originally for cummins too. not sure but it works great and wasnt 660 dollars.

11-04-2009, 04:52 PM	#10 (permalink)
ozarkdiesel Cummins Fan Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 65 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts ozarkdiesel's Truck Pics	Have you checked the solenoid with the key on and see if its up? If not pull it up manualy and c if it starts.

11-04-2009, 09:27 PM	#11 (permalink)
HEEPJEEP Cummins Fan Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 50 Thanks: 3 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts HEEPJEEP's Truck Pics	Shutoff Solenoid 12 Valve Requires Adapter City Diesel - Diesel Performance __________________ '97 4x4, 12 v, SC/LB work truck/DD probably a bad P7100 pump... Goerend VB and triple disc, Suncoast rebuild, Billet in/out, billet flex plate, 62/65/13ss +S475, Weston's 5x.014's

11-04-2009, 11:31 PM	#12 (permalink)
deck60 Newbie Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 23 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts deck60's Truck Pics	I just bought one off ebay for 138.50 with free shipping that is the cheapest I have found __________________ 98 one ton dually extended cab 4x4 mostly stock 60 hp bosch injectors and 245/75/16 tires this is a farm truck it is hooked to a trailer just about all the time and we use 5 th wheel trailers -- Diesel the only way to go