turbo chart - Page 2

DTanklage · 10-08-2009, 04:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by phatboy07

so wat you think my truck would throw done on a dyno at bout 1500ft elevation???

depends on at least four factors

who ported it

who dynos it

where the plate is

road ready or track ready?

don

ps - road ready the *'arrogant azzhole from california' only made 502/905 with 5x13.8 and 64/71 stock head head bolts and gasket. dyno'd in 4th gear no correction factor dude did not flash the brake

dyno yours and see if ya can break 550

*werent those your words just a few short weeks ago?

Last edited by DTanklage : 10-08-2009 at 04:50 AM.

flubyux2 · 10-08-2009, 07:03 AM

Just so you know, an s300 is just the class of the turbo. It's like the term "truck". The 3 is the chassis size and the last 2 numbers are the inducer size of the compressor wheel. So you need to categorize them as an s358 or s366 or s371, all being 58mm, 66mm and 71mm inducers respectivley. Bullseye markets Borg turbos in the gasser crowd and can be had in many combinations with various turbine wheel sizes and turbine housing a/r. So, these guys can't just call up and say "I want an s300" because he answer they will get is "uh ok, and what kind/size are you looking for"

at least, that's how it works where I come from over in the supra community. Btw, alot of the guys there who were running borgs have switched out because the turbos failed and could not get customer service to save their lives. And these are high profile shops and builders and/or sponsored race teams. So if these guyscant get help, the average Joe won't have a good time either.

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***phatboy07*** · 10-08-2009, 12:47 PM

im dynoing my truck again at bartling enterprises(and the owner of the shop runs the truck), the same place i had it dynod last time with old setup....

100 plate FF, 5x12s, 3gsk, stock timing
Hx35 w/t boost elbow, cai, 4in str8 pipe, and good clutch

it did 373hp/948ftlbs that time with that setup. i just wanna break 500 mark this time... still gotta get her tuned for road ready. ohh and ported by local machine shop

whered you have ur fuel comin in at.... 1800rpm??? im afraid if i dump too much fuel in to early itll kill the spool up and be to smokey for the street. cuz i dont drag race my truck only street drivin.... unless i find some local dumbazz ricer to race

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FUEL- 100 Plate FF, 5x14s, 4gsk, 18*
AIR- Volant CAI, 64/71/14, Porting, 4in STR8
Goodies- Studs, O-Rings, Guages, 13" Valair K/C Clutch, Black 7" Mitre

***chevyboy123*** · 10-10-2009, 03:12 PM

what about the garrett dual ball bearing turbos

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215 pump flows 500cc
330 plate
370 inj
5" straight pipe

DTanklage · 10-11-2009, 05:18 AM

shoot, most the of the guys here can barely swing a hybrid or a b/w charger

the garretts are big money

really nice turbo but i dont know how the guys running them on the street justify the cost

why dont you make a chart for them and post it here?

***chevyboy123*** · 10-11-2009, 09:20 PM

well im not sure on the sizes but you can get the compessor maps at turbobygarret.com

the best i can tell a
stage 1 is comparible to a super b
stage 2=?
stage 3 is a touch bigger than super b special but spools faster

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95 dodge 5spd 4x4 a work in progress AEM intake
215 pump flows 500cc
330 plate
370 inj
5" straight pipe

J REED '98 6BT · 10-13-2009, 01:06 AM

I like the map of the holset vgt. Wish I could hook it up.

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J REED '98 6BT · 10-13-2009, 10:21 PM

Thanks to Dtank

This got me thinking about the newest chargers. This works for the Wright bros. and alot more. P1V1=P2V2 is the Idea. Bernoulli's principle can be derived from the principle of conservation of energy. This states that in a steady flow the sum of all forms of mechanical energy in a fluid along a streamline is the same at all points on that streamline. This requires that the sum of kinetic energy and potential energy remain constant. If the fluid is flowing out of a reservoir the sum of all forms of energy is the same on all streamlines because in a reservoir the energy per unit mass (the sum of pressure and gravitational potential ρ g h) is the same everywhere.[4]( from wikipedia)

Somewhere out there is a charger that I need. Keep up the good work.

and thanks again.

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cummins34 · 10-13-2009, 10:50 PM

currently i have a phat shat 62 an would like to like to go compound an dont really know which way to go. feed that ps 62 or let it feed a bigger turbo? im goin for quick spool, low end for the snap in a hard pull

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***DieselRacer75*** · 10-16-2009, 01:30 PM

Holy CRAP Don!!!!!! You are giving some REALLY useful info!!!

I really appreciate this. Oh and thanks for sending the pics!!

I haven't had a chance to to tell ya.

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96 CUMMINS 4x4, dynamite 150 injectors,(HTT 64/71/13 SS) ATS exhaust manifold, AFE cold air intake Dragon Fly pump 4kgs, full cut DV's, +60 Springs, 100 fuel plate, star wheel cranked, plate and AFC fwd, Suncoast tranny, lock in override switch, triple lock converter, 4" exhaust into a black miter cut 6" BIG THANKS TO UNDERGROUND DIESEL

97Rebel · 10-24-2009, 05:23 PM

Some more data for the chart. Took a look inside my B1-b while it off the truck for a head gasket R&R.

Compressor wheel measured 60.6mm with 7 blades.
Turbine wheel measured 65mm with 11 blades.

I'm kind of supprised at the comp wheel size, always assumed it was a 62.

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DTanklage · 10-25-2009, 01:08 PM

it is really hard to accurately measure any wheel that has an odd # of fins

62/65

10-13-2009, 10:21 PM	#20 (permalink)
J REED '98 6BT Cummins Fanatic Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Grand Junction, CO Posts: 180 Thanks: 6 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts J REED '98 6BT's Truck Pics	turbo Thanks to Dtank This got me thinking about the newest chargers. This works for the Wright bros. and alot more. P1V1=P2V2 is the Idea. Bernoulli's principle can be derived from the principle of conservation of energy. This states that in a steady flow the sum of all forms of mechanical energy in a fluid along a streamline is the same at all points on that streamline. This requires that the sum of kinetic energy and potential energy remain constant. If the fluid is flowing out of a reservoir the sum of all forms of energy is the same on all streamlines because in a reservoir the energy per unit mass (the sum of pressure and gravitational potential ρ g h) is the same everywhere.[4]( from wikipedia) Somewhere out there is a charger that I need. Keep up the good work. and thanks again. __________________ 11/97 2500 Club Cab 4WD NV 4500 3.55's # 11 Plate, 16* timing , 285/75/16 BFG M/T's 197,XXX miles... driver MIA ... trying to make a living in the new economy Last edited by J REED '98 6BT : 10-13-2009 at 10:22 PM. Reason: source

10-24-2009, 05:23 PM	#23 (permalink)
97Rebel Newbie Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 14 Thanks: 1 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts 97Rebel's Truck Pics	B1-b Dimensions Some more data for the chart. Took a look inside my B1-b while it off the truck for a head gasket R&R. Compressor wheel measured 60.6mm with 7 blades. Turbine wheel measured 65mm with 11 blades. I'm kind of supprised at the comp wheel size, always assumed it was a 62. __________________ 97 12 valve, 542HP 1200+ ft-lbs, Daily Driver-Rocky Mtn Tow Vehicle

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10-08-2009, 07:03 AM	#14 (permalink)
flubyux2 Diesel Freak Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Spring Hill, FL Posts: 603 Thanks: 6 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts flubyux2's Truck Pics	Just so you know, an s300 is just the class of the turbo. It's like the term "truck". The 3 is the chassis size and the last 2 numbers are the inducer size of the compressor wheel. So you need to categorize them as an s358 or s366 or s371, all being 58mm, 66mm and 71mm inducers respectivley. Bullseye markets Borg turbos in the gasser crowd and can be had in many combinations with various turbine wheel sizes and turbine housing a/r. So, these guys can't just call up and say "I want an s300" because he answer they will get is "uh ok, and what kind/size are you looking for" at least, that's how it works where I come from over in the supra community. Btw, alot of the guys there who were running borgs have switched out because the turbos failed and could not get customer service to save their lives. And these are high profile shops and builders and/or sponsored race teams. So if these guyscant get help, the average Joe won't have a good time either. __________________ 1997 reg cab, super clean, low miles, done right. F/S or F/T. http://www.cumminsforum.com/forum/2n...low-miles.html

10-08-2009, 12:47 PM	#15 (permalink)
*phatboy07* Diesel Freak Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: The AZ STaTE Posts: 832 Thanks: 5 Thanked 8 Times in 8 Posts phatboy07's Truck Pics	im dynoing my truck again at bartling enterprises(and the owner of the shop runs the truck), the same place i had it dynod last time with old setup.... 100 plate FF, 5x12s, 3gsk, stock timing Hx35 w/t boost elbow, cai, 4in str8 pipe, and good clutch it did 373hp/948ftlbs that time with that setup. i just wanna break 500 mark this time... still gotta get her tuned for road ready. ohh and ported by local machine shop whered you have ur fuel comin in at.... 1800rpm??? im afraid if i dump too much fuel in to early itll kill the spool up and be to smokey for the street. cuz i dont drag race my truck only street drivin.... unless i find some local dumbazz ricer to race __________________ NEW BUILD UP.... 97 215 Pump FUEL- 100 Plate FF, 5x14s, 4gsk, 18* AIR- Volant CAI, 64/71/14, Porting, 4in STR8 Goodies- Studs, O-Rings, Guages, 13" Valair K/C Clutch, Black 7" Mitre

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*chevyboy123* broke Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Haskell OK Posts: 91 Thanks: 0 Thanked 2 Times in 1 Post chevyboy123's Truck Pics	what about the garrett dual ball bearing turbos __________________ 95 dodge 5spd 4x4 a work in progress AEM intake 215 pump flows 500cc 330 plate 370 inj 5" straight pipe

10-11-2009, 05:18 AM	#17 (permalink)
DTanklage Diesel Freak Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: huntington beach Posts: 776 Thanks: 24 Thanked 62 Times in 30 Posts DTanklage's Truck Pics	shoot, most the of the guys here can barely swing a hybrid or a b/w charger the garretts are big money really nice turbo but i dont know how the guys running them on the street justify the cost why dont you make a chart for them and post it here?

10-11-2009, 09:20 PM	#18 (permalink)
*chevyboy123* broke Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Haskell OK Posts: 91 Thanks: 0 Thanked 2 Times in 1 Post chevyboy123's Truck Pics	well im not sure on the sizes but you can get the compessor maps at turbobygarret.com the best i can tell a stage 1 is comparible to a super b stage 2=? stage 3 is a touch bigger than super b special but spools faster __________________ 95 dodge 5spd 4x4 a work in progress AEM intake 215 pump flows 500cc 330 plate 370 inj 5" straight pipe

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J REED '98 6BT Cummins Fanatic Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Grand Junction, CO Posts: 180 Thanks: 6 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts J REED '98 6BT's Truck Pics	I like the map of the holset vgt. Wish I could hook it up. __________________ 11/97 2500 Club Cab 4WD NV 4500 3.55's # 11 Plate, 16* timing , 285/75/16 BFG M/T's 197,XXX miles... driver MIA ... trying to make a living in the new economy

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cummins34 Cummins Fan Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Oregon Posts: 65 Thanks: 3 Thanked 5 Times in 5 Posts cummins34's Truck Pics	currently i have a phat shat 62 an would like to like to go compound an dont really know which way to go. feed that ps 62 or let it feed a bigger turbo? im goin for quick spool, low end for the snap in a hard pull __________________ 00 dodge 2500 shortbed 4x4 5.9 cummins, NV4500, sb clutch, 120hp sticks, edge w/add, phat shaft 62, sg3 snow, ats horn, 3p ex man, 5in/dual 6in stacks w/aussie's, afe st3, raptor 150, levelin kit, 35MT's, ps stablizer, bada$$ bumper, more to come

10-16-2009, 01:30 PM	#22 (permalink)
*DieselRacer75* Randall Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Sand Springs Oklahoma Posts: 100 Thanks: 4 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts DieselRacer75's Truck Pics	Holy CRAP Don!!!!!! You are giving some REALLY useful info!!! I really appreciate this. Oh and thanks for sending the pics!! I haven't had a chance to to tell ya. __________________ 96 CUMMINS 4x4, dynamite 150 injectors,(HTT 64/71/13 SS) ATS exhaust manifold, AFE cold air intake Dragon Fly pump 4kgs, full cut DV's, +60 Springs, 100 fuel plate, star wheel cranked, plate and AFC fwd, Suncoast tranny, lock in override switch, triple lock converter, 4" exhaust into a black miter cut 6" BIG THANKS TO UNDERGROUND DIESEL

10-25-2009, 01:08 PM	#24 (permalink)
DTanklage Diesel Freak Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: huntington beach Posts: 776 Thanks: 24 Thanked 62 Times in 30 Posts DTanklage's Truck Pics	it is really hard to accurately measure any wheel that has an odd # of fins 62/65