re-torque on stock head bolts?

cummins freak · 02-09-2007, 06:31 PM

how much boost will my stock gasket handle with a re-torque and to what lbs/ft do i re-torque the factory bolts to thanks

right now i have the stock hx-35 but will soon have a killer b2 on

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1997, 2500 CTD. 4x4 LWB, ext cab, MODS-#100 plate, JL Machine 5x0.016 Injectors, 3kgsk, timing at 16*, Dave G. trans, , HTT killer B II 64/14, Custom DV's from weston!!! Mods soon to be- traction bars,head studs, marine gasket.

DieselDood · 02-09-2007, 07:18 PM

You can't retorque the stock head bolts. They are a torque to Yield design. You torque them 66, 89, then turn them 90*. If you are going to do anything replace them with studs.

cummins freak · 02-09-2007, 07:32 PM

well then is my only other option to get head studs to increase the clamping force

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1997, 2500 CTD. 4x4 LWB, ext cab, MODS-#100 plate, JL Machine 5x0.016 Injectors, 3kgsk, timing at 16*, Dave G. trans, , HTT killer B II 64/14, Custom DV's from weston!!! Mods soon to be- traction bars,head studs, marine gasket.

DieselDood · 02-09-2007, 08:07 PM

Studs are the only other option.

Sorry!

DD

cummins freak · 02-09-2007, 08:29 PM

thats ok how well do you think studs and a0.020 marine gasket will hold or how about studs and my stock gasket thanks

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1997, 2500 CTD. 4x4 LWB, ext cab, MODS-#100 plate, JL Machine 5x0.016 Injectors, 3kgsk, timing at 16*, Dave G. trans, , HTT killer B II 64/14, Custom DV's from weston!!! Mods soon to be- traction bars,head studs, marine gasket.

DieselDood · 02-09-2007, 09:56 PM

I think...(ok I won't lie..I know) that Studs and a stock gasket won't hold what I do to my truck. I blew it out between 4 and 5 cylinders.

Will they get you bye for now...yes. Will they last forever? No. I'm hard on headgaskets for some reason...mine made it 3,200 miles before I popped it again. (I'm on #5 now, and I've finally gone to fire rings)

DD

cummins freak · 02-09-2007, 10:03 PM

is this josh peters....also how much timing you running on your truck i really dont want to run more then 17-18*

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1997, 2500 CTD. 4x4 LWB, ext cab, MODS-#100 plate, JL Machine 5x0.016 Injectors, 3kgsk, timing at 16*, Dave G. trans, , HTT killer B II 64/14, Custom DV's from weston!!! Mods soon to be- traction bars,head studs, marine gasket.

DieselDood · 02-09-2007, 10:14 PM

Yes this is Josh Peters.

Timing, with that gasket I was at 17*

JP

cummins freak · 02-09-2007, 10:17 PM

thanks this is kyle you helped i should say did my timing, plate and gauges in anoka we couldn't get my turbo bolt loose you were on the wall trying to push down

and dang only 17* well thanks thanks that helps

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1997, 2500 CTD. 4x4 LWB, ext cab, MODS-#100 plate, JL Machine 5x0.016 Injectors, 3kgsk, timing at 16*, Dave G. trans, , HTT killer B II 64/14, Custom DV's from weston!!! Mods soon to be- traction bars,head studs, marine gasket.

DieselDood · 02-09-2007, 10:30 PM

Ahh yes!

When I popped that gasket I wasn't running a ton of timing. Really, for a street truck you don't need a ton of timing either. 17-18 is MORE than enough for street use. You'll run into lag issues as well as starting issues in the cold if you go much higher.

Being I have the tools, in the summer I'd set mine to 17, 15 in the winter. Dyno day, pull or Drag race, 18.5 or so was the sweet spot for mine. But it was laggy on the bottom end on the street.

JP

cummins freak · 02-09-2007, 10:52 PM

mine is still where we set it at 15.5* and it seems to be a good spot for the street and its more then likely going to be fast enough for me once i get my htt 64/14 killerb2 on and my tranny in

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1997, 2500 CTD. 4x4 LWB, ext cab, MODS-#100 plate, JL Machine 5x0.016 Injectors, 3kgsk, timing at 16*, Dave G. trans, , HTT killer B II 64/14, Custom DV's from weston!!! Mods soon to be- traction bars,head studs, marine gasket.

zstroken · 02-10-2007, 12:29 AM

You can retorque them. We are pushing 55psi through a24V and ran my12 for half of a pulling season at 55psi with 18 degrees timing. We torqued them to 120 ish cold if I remember right. Don't expect this to last forever, just to get you by.

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B&B performance: Industrial Injection, HTT, EDGE, Bully Dog, BD, South Bend Clutches

02-09-2007, 06:31 PM	#1 (permalink)
cummins freak Diesel Freak Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Bismarck, ND Posts: 678 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post cummins freak's Truck Pics	re-torque on stock head bolts? how much boost will my stock gasket handle with a re-torque and to what lbs/ft do i re-torque the factory bolts to thanks right now i have the stock hx-35 but will soon have a killer b2 on __________________ 1997, 2500 CTD. 4x4 LWB, ext cab, MODS-#100 plate, JL Machine 5x0.016 Injectors, 3kgsk, timing at 16*, Dave G. trans, , HTT killer B II 64/14, Custom DV's from weston!!! Mods soon to be- traction bars,head studs, marine gasket.

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02-09-2007, 07:18 PM	#2 (permalink)
DieselDood Diesel Head Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: RAMsey MN Posts: 1,054 Thanks: 0 Thanked 2 Times in 1 Post DieselDood's Truck Pics	You can't retorque the stock head bolts. They are a torque to Yield design. You torque them 66, 89, then turn them 90*. If you are going to do anything replace them with studs.

02-09-2007, 07:32 PM	#3 (permalink)
cummins freak Diesel Freak Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Bismarck, ND Posts: 678 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post cummins freak's Truck Pics	well then is my only other option to get head studs to increase the clamping force __________________ 1997, 2500 CTD. 4x4 LWB, ext cab, MODS-#100 plate, JL Machine 5x0.016 Injectors, 3kgsk, timing at 16*, Dave G. trans, , HTT killer B II 64/14, Custom DV's from weston!!! Mods soon to be- traction bars,head studs, marine gasket.

02-09-2007, 08:07 PM	#4 (permalink)
DieselDood Diesel Head Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: RAMsey MN Posts: 1,054 Thanks: 0 Thanked 2 Times in 1 Post DieselDood's Truck Pics	Studs are the only other option. Sorry! DD

02-09-2007, 08:29 PM	#5 (permalink)
cummins freak Diesel Freak Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Bismarck, ND Posts: 678 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post cummins freak's Truck Pics	thats ok how well do you think studs and a0.020 marine gasket will hold or how about studs and my stock gasket thanks __________________ 1997, 2500 CTD. 4x4 LWB, ext cab, MODS-#100 plate, JL Machine 5x0.016 Injectors, 3kgsk, timing at 16*, Dave G. trans, , HTT killer B II 64/14, Custom DV's from weston!!! Mods soon to be- traction bars,head studs, marine gasket.

02-09-2007, 09:56 PM	#6 (permalink)
DieselDood Diesel Head Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: RAMsey MN Posts: 1,054 Thanks: 0 Thanked 2 Times in 1 Post DieselDood's Truck Pics	I think...(ok I won't lie..I know) that Studs and a stock gasket won't hold what I do to my truck. I blew it out between 4 and 5 cylinders. Will they get you bye for now...yes. Will they last forever? No. I'm hard on headgaskets for some reason...mine made it 3,200 miles before I popped it again. (I'm on #5 now, and I've finally gone to fire rings) DD

02-09-2007, 10:03 PM	#7 (permalink)
cummins freak Diesel Freak Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Bismarck, ND Posts: 678 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post cummins freak's Truck Pics	is this josh peters....also how much timing you running on your truck i really dont want to run more then 17-18* __________________ 1997, 2500 CTD. 4x4 LWB, ext cab, MODS-#100 plate, JL Machine 5x0.016 Injectors, 3kgsk, timing at 16*, Dave G. trans, , HTT killer B II 64/14, Custom DV's from weston!!! Mods soon to be- traction bars,head studs, marine gasket.

02-09-2007, 10:14 PM	#8 (permalink)
DieselDood Diesel Head Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: RAMsey MN Posts: 1,054 Thanks: 0 Thanked 2 Times in 1 Post DieselDood's Truck Pics	Yes this is Josh Peters. Timing, with that gasket I was at 17* JP

02-09-2007, 10:17 PM	#9 (permalink)
cummins freak Diesel Freak Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Bismarck, ND Posts: 678 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post cummins freak's Truck Pics	thanks this is kyle you helped i should say did my timing, plate and gauges in anoka we couldn't get my turbo bolt loose you were on the wall trying to push down and dang only 17* well thanks thanks that helps __________________ 1997, 2500 CTD. 4x4 LWB, ext cab, MODS-#100 plate, JL Machine 5x0.016 Injectors, 3kgsk, timing at 16*, Dave G. trans, , HTT killer B II 64/14, Custom DV's from weston!!! Mods soon to be- traction bars,head studs, marine gasket.

02-09-2007, 10:30 PM	#10 (permalink)
DieselDood Diesel Head Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: RAMsey MN Posts: 1,054 Thanks: 0 Thanked 2 Times in 1 Post DieselDood's Truck Pics	Ahh yes! When I popped that gasket I wasn't running a ton of timing. Really, for a street truck you don't need a ton of timing either. 17-18 is MORE than enough for street use. You'll run into lag issues as well as starting issues in the cold if you go much higher. Being I have the tools, in the summer I'd set mine to 17, 15 in the winter. Dyno day, pull or Drag race, 18.5 or so was the sweet spot for mine. But it was laggy on the bottom end on the street. JP

02-09-2007, 10:52 PM	#11 (permalink)
cummins freak Diesel Freak Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Bismarck, ND Posts: 678 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post cummins freak's Truck Pics	mine is still where we set it at 15.5* and it seems to be a good spot for the street and its more then likely going to be fast enough for me once i get my htt 64/14 killerb2 on and my tranny in __________________ 1997, 2500 CTD. 4x4 LWB, ext cab, MODS-#100 plate, JL Machine 5x0.016 Injectors, 3kgsk, timing at 16*, Dave G. trans, , HTT killer B II 64/14, Custom DV's from weston!!! Mods soon to be- traction bars,head studs, marine gasket.

02-10-2007, 12:29 AM	#12 (permalink)
zstroken Diesel Freak Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 958 Thanks: 0 Thanked 2 Times in 1 Post zstroken's Truck Pics	You can retorque them. We are pushing 55psi through a24V and ran my12 for half of a pulling season at 55psi with 18 degrees timing. We torqued them to 120 ish cold if I remember right. Don't expect this to last forever, just to get you by. __________________ B&B performance: Industrial Injection, HTT, EDGE, Bully Dog, BD, South Bend Clutches