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Old 06-20-2010, 04:07 PM   #1 (permalink)
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1996 Ram 5.9 Cummins tow capacity?

I'm having trouble finding accurate info on what the GCVWR for the 1996 2500 5.9L cummins- club cab 4x4 8ft bed---

frustrated because truck scales 7,000 with full fuel and my usual gear and a tool box I feel is handy to have when hauling

and owners manual says GCVWR 14,000lbs....... I haul my horses so 7,000lbs for a trailer is kinda wimpy and basically covers a loaded 2H bumper pull / Which this truck hauls easy peasy.


(also annoying me is Dodge est. that this truck / year weighed 5500lbs ...maybe with no seats or fuel tank on!)

I don't want to overload it, or do anything stupid hauling live animals.

I'm asking because I'm looking at a GN horse trailer that weighs 5500lbs empty and loaded would be around 8500-9000lbs. It is a total length tailgate to GN hitch of 29ft

estimated truck + loaded trailer weight just shy of 16k

the 96 has gvw 8800lbs, rear ax is 6ooo+ front ax 4ooo+ (don't have exact in front of me) and listed max trailer of 8600lbs

People say all sorts of things about it's really about not overloading axles, and that GN increases capacity blah blah blah----but I just don'tknow what the real deal is


Thoughts on this appreciated!
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Old 06-20-2010, 04:40 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Kinda tough to answer but it sounds like you have all the right data to firgure it out. Most livestock trailers I have seen have the axles placed further to the rear than what I am used to. I pull a 48' tri axle car trailer with living quarters that weighs in at 14,000 lb's m/t. Loaded I gross approx. 26,000 lbs. I also have air bags on the drive axle. I know that I am heavy and drive accordingly.

My point is that I do not know what the weight of your drive axle will be when loaded. You will get some weight transfer to the steering axle but not much. Your truck will haul more than it will pull so forget about the reciever hitch which is what Dodge rates the capacity on. The keys to towing are brakes, suspension, tire capacity and just common sense.

Myself, I would not hesitate to buy the g/n. Just position the ball per mfgs specs, (normally a couple of inches in front of the drive axle). Don't try to pull in O/D without a trans. temp guage, watch the water temp. gauge and drive smart.

Just my opinion, of course your's may vary.
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Old 06-20-2010, 05:30 PM   #3 (permalink)
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whatever you hook it to haha
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Old 06-20-2010, 05:33 PM   #4 (permalink)
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That is because the weight listed for the vehicle is with an empty fuel tank. So yes everything you put in the truck counts as load. They always rate trucks light, just to give themselves some protection from law suits.

You did the math right, subtract the trucks loaded weight from the gross combined vehicle weight rating and that gives you how much trailer and load you can pull according to manufacture specifications.
2000 pounds over is not bad, its when you start getting 6000 pounds or heavier. The truck can do it, but you just ware parts out faster.
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Old 06-20-2010, 06:23 PM   #5 (permalink)
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Technically, you can 'legally' only pull what the tag on your door says.

Most of the time you could get away with pulling a house behind your truck, just so long as your using the appropriate gear (hitch/brakes/ect) and none of the axles are overweight.

Now, keep in mind that the MFGs list a GCVWR for more than the reason of covering their azz. Going over the listed weight, means you are putting everything in the truck under extreme stress, parts are only built to handle so much!

The 47re is only designed for a max GCWR of 19000lbs (21k for the nv4500). Not to mention axles, ujoints, FRAME, ect can only take so much strain before something goes BOOM!
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Old 06-20-2010, 06:48 PM   #6 (permalink)
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Exceeding the GVWR on the door frame legality is an ongoing dispute. The only place that I have seen a valid law against it is in B.C. On the other hand the reason for the GCWR is for warranty reasons. Are you still in warranty? Exceeding manufacturers ratings will shorten the life of some components as ykdave pointed out. Other than that you can tow as much as your drivers license, registered weights and towing skills permit. If you have an automatic and tow heavy put some money away for the rebuild/upgrade.
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whatever you hook it to haha
ayuh...that's been my impression so far!

can't believe it has a gcvwr of 14K

I talked to a trailer dealer today---he said "oh hell, that truck will pull that fine"...and this guy is not who is selling the trailer I'm looking at so no reason to snow me

hauler on another site said there was not much different the year they bumped it up to 16K in the truck body/details and that the cummins 5.9L had been in use in the Ford commercial 2tons

When i haul hay, or equipment I could care less--load 'er up and rock and roll and this truck has never had any trouble. I keep it maintained, load E tires, proper hitching and load securing and I take it easy and slower on the road. OD off etc. it has a transmission cooler.

But with horses I'm a total chicken.

I don't like to break the "rules"--and I get all the reasons for a GCVWR---but my experience w/ this model year and size so far makes 14K seem silly. `That barely covers the avg. 6,000lb loaded 2horse bumper pull ! And people pull them with F150's all the time!

If you had to give just an opinion, do you think the 1996 14K GCVWR is really because the vehicle shouldn't do more or that it had to do with other things?
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lets put it this way.

sure you can pull anything you want however after this little trip to the dump. I needed brakes front and rear and a clutch. The brakes had at least half of their service life left until this trailer. The clutch was still okay, but would slip after this trip.
Didn't break anything but, all of those parts cost a lot to get fixed.
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LOL

Yup, it will definitely pull anything! But for how long... maybe only once, and for a short distance!

As for the 5.9 being used in ford 2tons, so what? The engine is the LAST thing that is considered when calculating the GCVWR of a particular vehicle.

The 5.9 was used in much larger equipment than a 2ton, but guess what... It sure as hell wasnt in a little rinky dink dodge chassis, backed by tinkertoy trannys and axles!


And just because most people are stupid enough to extremely overload a half ton truck, doesnt make it any safer for you to overload a 3/4 or 1on...
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LOL yes I agree

And I will definately say NO if anyone asks me to haul their house to the dump


Hauling hay and equipment I don't think I have ever been more than 3k over. And distances are not more than 100miles

I do use trailers that have working brakes on every wheel, and a controller

I don't like this now that I know what the GCVWR is--it's disappointing.

For what this truck does, and our rule breaking, it has 245,000 miles on original engine trans and ax....knock on wood....just routine maintenance, tune ups, band adjustments, and fluid changes. I do put a lot of wear on tires, brake pads and shocks---but it's my daily driver too, and I bang around over rough roads and dirt/gravel

here's a pic of the "Old Hoss"...about as clean as I've ever had it ;-) Usually has mud sprayed up stem to stern --up heeyah if 'tisn't below zero it's muddaay!


hmm--are pictures filtered or is mine just not working...oh well tried

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hmm--are pictures filtered or is mine just not working...oh well tried

Facebook is not friendly to "hot linking " pictures.
You can upload it to something like "ImageBucket" or "PhotoBucket".
Yeah, Facebook won't load your pic.

Cool name!
I used to call a girl that when I was little... I figure you have that name as 'fun'... right?
You can't possible be called Mr. Pippi Longstocking...
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Actually that was number 5 and by far the biggest and heaviest. So in total in 120,000 ish miles my truck is on its third set of brakes and second clutch. Probably need new rear leaf springs.
But the police escort was really cool.
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