dont torque bands ?

mikeshauling · 07-15-2008, 12:11 PM

I am getting ready to adj my bands and a trans guy here in town says he dont torque them to a certain # but he does it by feel !! I know him and he has done MANY racing trannys and tons of everyday cars and trucks. He has been in business for quite a while and i have never heard complaints @ his work. He seemed to be familar w yhe 48re but this threw me for a loop when he said he dont use a torque wrench. What do you think about this??

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BBRam · 07-15-2008, 12:15 PM

I'm not doubting his ability, some have a feel for these things. But for 72inch lbs (I Believe) why chance it.

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mikeshauling · 07-15-2008, 12:17 PM

thats wat i was thinkin, i was stumped at this because of his reputation for his performance work on race trannys around here. Well im off to sears to get the inch lb trq wrench.

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fordkiller43 · 07-15-2008, 12:17 PM

thats retarded for you not to adjust it properly. I would personally do it yourself. just get an inch pound torque wrench and do it in the driveway. just my .02

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BBRam · 07-15-2008, 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by mikeshauling

thats wat i was thinkin, i was stumped at this because of his reputation for his performance work on race trannys around here. Well im off to sears to get the inch lb trq wrench.

Some guys you can follow with a torque wrench, and they are not far off. But I'm not that guy.

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fordkiller43 · 07-15-2008, 12:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BBRam

Some guys you can follow with a torque wrench, and they are not far off. But I'm not that guy.

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mikeshauling · 07-15-2008, 12:30 PM

Thanks guys for the input. I will check back in after my attempt

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mikeshauling · 07-15-2008, 07:34 PM

Well i got fluid and filter on trans changed, also adj. the bands. Good god were they loose. The one in the pan had tons of play in it. Anyhow the truck shifts now and it feels so much better. All i need now is my vb. My fluid was still red but it had a bit of a burnt smell. I will do a total drain when vb gets here.Took me a little over an hour, wish my tight a## would get a pan w/ a drain plug in it tho.

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pro99 · 07-15-2008, 07:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BBRam

Some guys you can follow with a torque wrench, and they are not far off. But I'm not that guy.

I have it to the point where I use a 1/4 inch allen wrench and put it between the band lever and servo pin and lock it down

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mikeshauling · 07-15-2008, 08:15 PM

This was easier than i thought it was. I went to sears and got the in. lb trq wrench, i wasnt gonna do the adjustment w/o one. I dont know much @ trannys and motors but im not afraid to try and do it myself. Im just glad this helped so much!! I was starting to think my trans was toast. I hope when my vb gets here it takes off a lil better. I will be towing tomorrow and i will see how it tows now.

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06 5.9 3500 AT 4x4 reg cab sport w/ flatbed,superchips, ,sws ch air box big kn dropin ,gutted tube, 4 "st pipe, cfm, FBD GHD, rail capped, dipricol,ga.pyro,bst,fuel,TCS 89% tc, Dtt VB,several DTT pieces and parts.

Ramtech · 07-15-2008, 09:02 PM

if you had that much play in your front band, chances are it might be going out. Did you check for any abnormal signs of heat on the front drum? Just wondering. Been building trannies for a long time and always use a torque wrench for band adjustment. Well good luck.

mikeshauling · 07-15-2008, 09:11 PM

Sorry but i wouldnt know where to look for heat damage. I did use a trq wrench too. I can say that the pan was very clean and the vb looked clean also. The fluid did have a slight burnt smell, I am gonna drain tc and everything when my vb gets here. I didnt put the tc in, the dealer mech put it in while my motor and trans were out( no charge,cool!) What should i look for as far as band wise, when i install the vb?

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06 5.9 3500 AT 4x4 reg cab sport w/ flatbed,superchips, ,sws ch air box big kn dropin ,gutted tube, 4 "st pipe, cfm, FBD GHD, rail capped, dipricol,ga.pyro,bst,fuel,TCS 89% tc, Dtt VB,several DTT pieces and parts.

07-15-2008, 12:11 PM	#1 (permalink)
mikeshauling Diesel Freak Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: centralia illinois Posts: 658 mikeshauling's Truck Pics	dont torque bands ? I am getting ready to adj my bands and a trans guy here in town says he dont torque them to a certain # but he does it by feel !! I know him and he has done MANY racing trannys and tons of everyday cars and trucks. He has been in business for quite a while and i have never heard complaints @ his work. He seemed to be familar w yhe 48re but this threw me for a loop when he said he dont use a torque wrench. What do you think about this?? __________________ 06 5.9 3500 AT 4x4 reg cab sport w/ flatbed,superchips, ,sws ch air box big kn dropin ,gutted tube, 4 "st pipe, cfm, FBD GHD, rail capped, dipricol,ga.pyro,bst,fuel,TCS 89% tc, Dtt VB,several DTT pieces and parts.

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07-15-2008, 12:15 PM	#2 (permalink)
BBRam Super Administrator Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Chelsea MI Posts: 16,458 BBRam's Truck Pics	I'm not doubting his ability, some have a feel for these things. But for 72inch lbs (I Believe) why chance it. __________________ 03-3500, DRW, QC, 4x4, DTT Trans, Mag-Hytec, R700 BD Twins, BD IC Boots, BD Billet Flexplate, Lockup Switch, SMARTY TNT-R BETA/TS MP-8, Eliminator Fuel System, Floor It Stage 3 CP3 & Rail Cap, BIG Stix's by FTE, ARP Head Stud's, Springs, Fluidampr, ATS ARC-FLOW, AFE, Boost, Drive Pressure, Pyro, Fuel Pressure, Tran's Temp, Rail Pressure Gauge, GDP Ladder Bars, GrandRock 7" Miters. Old #'s (R/T .021, 60' 1.76, 1/4 ET 13.14 @ 100.45 mph)

07-15-2008, 12:17 PM	#3 (permalink)
mikeshauling Diesel Freak Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: centralia illinois Posts: 658 mikeshauling's Truck Pics	thats wat i was thinkin, i was stumped at this because of his reputation for his performance work on race trannys around here. Well im off to sears to get the inch lb trq wrench. __________________ 06 5.9 3500 AT 4x4 reg cab sport w/ flatbed,superchips, ,sws ch air box big kn dropin ,gutted tube, 4 "st pipe, cfm, FBD GHD, rail capped, dipricol,ga.pyro,bst,fuel,TCS 89% tc, Dtt VB,several DTT pieces and parts.

07-15-2008, 12:17 PM	#4 (permalink)
fordkiller43 Diesels in my blood..... Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Copperas Cove, TX Posts: 1,527 fordkiller43's Truck Pics	thats retarded for you not to adjust it properly. I would personally do it yourself. just get an inch pound torque wrench and do it in the driveway. just my .02 __________________ '02 2500 4X4 auto; SC VB, Drag Comp, FBD 100's sticks, AFE stg II, Silencer ring MIA, J hook, Banks High Ram, Carter pusher, Triple Pillar w/ Boost, Pyro, and FP gauges, MBRP 5" str8 pipe, 4.5" skyjacker, DSS bar, 35" Bighorns, Frontier bumper... s300 66/14 on its way! Coaltrain trans in the making

07-15-2008, 12:30 PM	#7 (permalink)
mikeshauling Diesel Freak Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: centralia illinois Posts: 658 mikeshauling's Truck Pics	Thanks guys for the input. I will check back in after my attempt __________________ 06 5.9 3500 AT 4x4 reg cab sport w/ flatbed,superchips, ,sws ch air box big kn dropin ,gutted tube, 4 "st pipe, cfm, FBD GHD, rail capped, dipricol,ga.pyro,bst,fuel,TCS 89% tc, Dtt VB,several DTT pieces and parts.

07-15-2008, 07:34 PM	#8 (permalink)
mikeshauling Diesel Freak Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: centralia illinois Posts: 658 mikeshauling's Truck Pics	Well i got fluid and filter on trans changed, also adj. the bands. Good god were they loose. The one in the pan had tons of play in it. Anyhow the truck shifts now and it feels so much better. All i need now is my vb. My fluid was still red but it had a bit of a burnt smell. I will do a total drain when vb gets here.Took me a little over an hour, wish my tight a## would get a pan w/ a drain plug in it tho. __________________ 06 5.9 3500 AT 4x4 reg cab sport w/ flatbed,superchips, ,sws ch air box big kn dropin ,gutted tube, 4 "st pipe, cfm, FBD GHD, rail capped, dipricol,ga.pyro,bst,fuel,TCS 89% tc, Dtt VB,several DTT pieces and parts.

07-15-2008, 08:15 PM	#10 (permalink)
mikeshauling Diesel Freak Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: centralia illinois Posts: 658 mikeshauling's Truck Pics	This was easier than i thought it was. I went to sears and got the in. lb trq wrench, i wasnt gonna do the adjustment w/o one. I dont know much @ trannys and motors but im not afraid to try and do it myself. Im just glad this helped so much!! I was starting to think my trans was toast. I hope when my vb gets here it takes off a lil better. I will be towing tomorrow and i will see how it tows now. __________________ 06 5.9 3500 AT 4x4 reg cab sport w/ flatbed,superchips, ,sws ch air box big kn dropin ,gutted tube, 4 "st pipe, cfm, FBD GHD, rail capped, dipricol,ga.pyro,bst,fuel,TCS 89% tc, Dtt VB,several DTT pieces and parts.

07-15-2008, 09:02 PM	#11 (permalink)
Ramtech Tech Specialist Join Date: May 2008 Location: Del Rio, TX Posts: 346 Ramtech's Truck Pics	if you had that much play in your front band, chances are it might be going out. Did you check for any abnormal signs of heat on the front drum? Just wondering. Been building trannies for a long time and always use a torque wrench for band adjustment. Well good luck.

07-15-2008, 09:11 PM	#12 (permalink)
mikeshauling Diesel Freak Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: centralia illinois Posts: 658 mikeshauling's Truck Pics	Sorry but i wouldnt know where to look for heat damage. I did use a trq wrench too. I can say that the pan was very clean and the vb looked clean also. The fluid did have a slight burnt smell, I am gonna drain tc and everything when my vb gets here. I didnt put the tc in, the dealer mech put it in while my motor and trans were out( no charge,cool!) What should i look for as far as band wise, when i install the vb? __________________ 06 5.9 3500 AT 4x4 reg cab sport w/ flatbed,superchips, ,sws ch air box big kn dropin ,gutted tube, 4 "st pipe, cfm, FBD GHD, rail capped, dipricol,ga.pyro,bst,fuel,TCS 89% tc, Dtt VB,several DTT pieces and parts.