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Old 08-22-2011, 03:54 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Crap.

owned the truck for about a month now.

Driving to work this mornin I had a little dead pedal at low RPMS, then at a stop light I would apply the brake but it would idle high and try to take off.

I thought it was the APPS...so I tryed to reset the ECM and decompress to the pedal...after I did that it...everything went to hell Now my truck dies in Reverse and Drive. Cranks up fine, idles fine, the second I put it into gear it dies.

I also got that lasty little DTC....p0216 (and a 1693)....


Have to be at work tomorrow at 5am, and I got about 200 bucks to my name sorta at the end of the rope right now. If there is anything out there i can do besides buying a Injector pump please let me know and do to the fact it dies if you put it in gear is there somtihng more besides the vp44?


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ps I have lurked on thise site for a little bit, great place, thanks for this site, and I would greatly appreciate any advice. Thanks


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Old 08-24-2011, 12:07 AM   #2 (permalink)
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It would seem that your vp44 bit the dust. (216 fuel injection pump timming failure)
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Old 08-24-2011, 11:23 AM   #3 (permalink)
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Whats fuel pressure at idle and at WOT throttle?

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I didnt check the fuel pressure, dont have the means to and no ride.

Anyhow, the vp44 will be here tuesday, got all the needed tools, laid out really to roll.


The only thing that really bugs me...(I will write the problem as if Im shifting from thru the gears step by step), parking brake on, giving it no throttle.

Park-800rpm on the mark (Cranks up fine, roars to life)
reverse- drops down to 575-600
nuetral- pops back up to 800
Drive- either drops back down to 575-600 or dies.


the way I drove it home was keeping some throttle on while in drive while holding down the brakes (at stops), now once its in drive, with out throttle the engine will stay on for about 10-20 seconds then kinda putter out. I got it in drive while cranking it in nuetral then carefully steppin on the pedal and popping over

It asses me up due to the fact from what Ive read this really doesnt point an vp44 problem (tell me im wrong by all means) however this crap all happened at once, so maybe there in a chance? So I got my fingers crossed hoping putting in the new IP will solve this issue.
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Old 08-28-2011, 09:42 PM   #5 (permalink)
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Blue Chip Diesel has instructions on how to test VP44. I kow you have one coming. Go down to "vp44 diagnostics" .

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Old 08-28-2011, 10:58 PM   #6 (permalink)
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May be a good idea to check fuel pressure before you run the new VP. If it is low, it will take out the new one as well.
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I couldnt see why my fuel pressure is low I have a 3 week old airdog 150


Yeah see even there, it does not suggest my problem being the vp44 aside from dead pedal for what I posted above, I sure hope a didnt drop 1500.00 for nothing because I might have a faulty ECM or APPS....
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Old 08-29-2011, 09:41 PM   #8 (permalink)
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Please check it anyway. I don't mean to beat up on Airdog, but they have had a lot of failing pumps right from the gate. They said they fixed the problem. But check it anyway. Even if you have to buy a gauge. You should have one anyway. I would hate to see you loose a brand new VP44.
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Old 08-30-2011, 03:34 PM   #9 (permalink)
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Makes good sense to me DL. It always the stuff like "oh theres no way in hell it could be that" and sure enough it is. What a fair priced gauge that I could mount in my truck?
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quick update, just pulled the old and put on the new IP.


when I turn the old vp44, it sounds like a mix of clicking, balls bouncing around and a sporatic pinging...go out on a limb here and say my vp44 might be shot haha.

keyway is on square (checked about 4000 times)

all i gotta do is hook up the rest, and give her a crank, Ill let yall know how it goes from there.
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well everything is installed, cracked 1 3 4 injector lines, and the new vp44's return line, truck wont start...tryed it 3 times...still running a 216 code...done for the day.
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Crack open the water in fuel drain, and bump the starter, You should have fuel shooting out of there, If you don't, You are not getting any from the tank. Or very little. You CAN get a p0216 just from cranking a lot.. If you don't have lots of fuel coming out when you bump the starter, either your pump is bad, or the electrical is not turning it on.
Genos Garage had Westech gauges for a reasonable price and the are accurate.
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