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[jbarker]

ya moparman im also curious to see what you think on the synthetic also since i run conventional in my fuel right know but was wanting to switch to synthetic

john

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[Mopar1973Man]

Originally Posted by ISX

I forgot about the fuel pump, I take it that is lubed by the fuel. I usually dump a quart of PS the white bottle in every tank. Always starts fine but I was just wondering on the kerosene. I guess I should run 2 stroke oil in it since the fuel pump needs it.

NOT GOOD - TOO MUCH PowerService! You only need 9.6 Oz to a full tank of fuel (35 Gallons)

All fuel components ARE LUBED by the fuel... The more PS you add the less lubricant in the fuel... Yes you NEED to add lubricant to the fuel... 1 quart (32 ounces) is prefect for 2 cycle oil!

Originally Posted by butt6767

i run amsoil but not in the tank i will try , can i use the injectin oil i run in my sleds?

NO SYNTHETICS OILS! - Only Dino 2 cycle oil... Super Tech (Outboard), Quarter State, PennzOil... Are good chioces... As long as the 2 cycle oil is petroleum based its GOOD!

Since the AMSOIL 2 stroke oil is designed to burn clean, I personally feel this would be fine.

Are you willing to be the test subject on this??? We need a test subject to verify this... Anyone willing???

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Last edited by Mopar1973Man : 02-01-2007 at 06:28 PM.

[Duluth Diesel]

Well, I've posted the 5 AMSOIL 2 stroke products. Let's revisit, Michael, why we feel these are good or not good. These oils need to burn off, right? They need to not gunk things up, right? Wouldn't it follow that AMSOIL synthetic 2 stroke oils would work fine, since they have an injector product for snowmobiles with powervalves? This fluid burns clean, makes less smoke, and doesn't mess with new fuel injected 2 stroke engines with oil injection and power valves. I don't see why a synthetic product won't work. I want to hear more opinions and logic behind this please.

-Chuck

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[Mopar1973Man]

Originally Posted by Duluth Diesel

Well, I've posted the 5 AMSOIL 2 stroke products. Let's revisit, Michael, why we feel these are good or not good. These oils need to burn off, right? They need to not gunk things up, right? Wouldn't it follow that AMSOIL synthetic 2 stroke oils would work fine, since they have an injector product for snowmobiles with powervalves? This fluid burns clean, makes less smoke, and doesn't mess with new fuel injected 2 stroke engines with oil injection and power valves. I don't see why a synthetic product won't work. I want to hear more opinions and logic behind this please.

-Chuck

Not trying to step on toes... I'm truely sorry if I did...

As for the data/information I was told about 3-4 years ago when people were trying out burning WEO and clean engine oil there was some serious problems with burning synthetic oils in the engine... There was compounds that did not burn properly (leaving deposits). But I've never try it either... A good reason for this is synthetics are not available around me... I've got to go to a large town to get any...

So I continued with that data till someone was willing to test and proved data to prove other wise...

Its been a long day for me... I apologuise for stepping on your toes...

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[Duluth Diesel]

No toes stepped on, man! Just trying to have a discussion so all can read the different opinions and thoughts. No offense taken whatsoever!

(and if you need synthetics, give me a call, bud)


I just think that if the oil was engineered to burn clean, and not mess up injectors and sensitive power valves, that it would work fine in our engines.

What experiments would show us that they work? I'm willing to try.

What do you think, Michael?

-Chuck

Originally Posted by Mopar1973Man

Not trying to step on toes... I'm truely sorry if I did...

As for the data/information I was told about 3-4 years ago when people were trying out burning WEO and clean engine oil there was some serious problems with burning synthetic oils in the engine... There was compounds that did not burn properly (leaving deposits). But I've never try it either... A good reason for this is synthetics are not available around me... I've got to go to a large town to get any...

So I continued with that data till someone was willing to test and proved data to prove other wise...

Its been a long day for me... I apologuise for stepping on your toes...

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[Duluth Diesel]

This is the stuff I'm thinking would work best.

INTERCEPTOR™ High Performance Synthetic 2-Cycle Oil (AIT)
A high-performance two-cycle oil with a performance emphasis on exhaust power vales. Excellent for all types of snowmobiles, motorcycles, personal watercraft, ATVs and jet boats. Contains high levels of detergent additives to prevent valve sticking. High quality replacement for manufacturer branded oils. Injector use or 50:1 premix. JASO FC, API TC

AMSOIL INTERCEPTOR™ Synthetic 2-Cycle Oil is formulated with a proprietary blend of the finest synthetic base oils and additives available today. This unique AMSOIL Chemistry represents a breakthrough development in the field of two-cycle engine lubrication. The backbone of AMSOIL INTERCEPTOR 2-Cycle Oil is a specially developed molecularly saturated synthetic base oil. This, combined with a robust additive package, ensures exceptional lubricity, cleanliness and optimum clean-burning characteristics. Extensive research and testing, including a full snowmobiling season in severe Rock Mountain applications, has proven that wear on cylinders, pistons and bearings is significantly reduced. And with up to 30 percent more detergency and dispersancy additives than typical two-cycle oils, AMSOIL INTERCEPTOR virtually eliminates hard carbon deposits that cause exhaust power valve sticking, ring sticking and pre-detonation promoting "hot spots" in the combustion chamber.

Prevents hard carbon deposits that cause exhaust power valve sticking and ring sticking.
Superior lubricity controls cylinder, piston and bearing wear.
Reduces smoke and odor associated with two-cycle engines.
Prevents plug fouling.
Provides exceptional SAE #4 cold temperature fluidity (-58°F pour point).
Versatile and excellent for all types of recreational equipment.
Protects against rust.
Prevents pre-detonation from combustion chamber "hot spots."

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[Mopar1973Man]

Well...
First someone would have to pull a injector or install new ones to get a starting reference point...

Then to run the Synthetic 2 cycle oil for at least 20K miles. Record your fuel mileage for every tank of fuel mixture you run. Keep a full log of the mixture 32 Oz, 16 Oz, to a tank.. etc...

Then after that period pull out that injector out and see what it looks like... If you can look at the top of the piston that would tell a lot... See how much deposits are forming...

That would kill this fable... And start a new trend...

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[Duluth Diesel]

Well, I'll give it a go. I don't really think I'll keep track of mileage too much, since I drive pretty hard. I am about to throw in new injectors, so this may work out well (275RVs going in). I see no reason why a synthetic 2 stroke oil won't burn as cleanly and efficiently as a conventional. If anything, it should protect the VP44 better.

Alright, Mopar1973Man, I'll start running it my '02 as soon as I need to fill up again. Sounds like a fable to me. If I develop an injector knock, I'll let ya'll know.

I'm willing to bet that the AMSOIL burns cleaner than the conventional. That's my belief.

Here's goes!
-Chuck

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[Mopar1973Man]

Would you be will to start a Synthetic 2 cycle oil thread and show what your willing to do and keep us posted with information...

That would be great!

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[Duluth Diesel]

Tell you what, you're the 2 stroke master. You kick off the thread, outlining the debate and different opinions. We should have a new 2 stroke thread anyway, the other one is just huge.

I'll jump in and be the outbreak monkey. I believe that we need more lubricity in our fuel, and I feel that synthetics are up to the task. If it doesn't work, at least the AMSOIL guy here was willing to prove it. I have full confidence that it will work well. Currently I'm running Quaker State Universal 2 stroke.

Kick it off, big guy! Let's play!

-Chuck

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