PUKING UP OIL AT -22F (-30c) when starting

daytrp · 01-25-2007, 08:11 AM

I just went to South Carolina and Picked up a new to me 91 Cummins 250 2WD. I drove it to kentucky, then Michagan, then Sudbury Ontario. it was +50F in SC when I left, and -22F in Sudbury. The truck drove great, and the motor is like new. lots of compression does not use oil. Last night was the first night it sat in cold like this. went to start it this morning and it started, but slowly. got some coffee and came back 10 min later and there are about 2 cups of oil on the ground under the block, a third of the way back on the passanger side. There was a antifreeze dripping too. Antifreeze in the Resovuir was not frozen, nor was the radiator. I drove her 5 miles to feed my horses, and let it run there. No new oil in front of the barn. I drove it back home and let it run in the drive for 20 minutes. no new lake of oil. I had an 89 cummins do something similar to me last year, but it never burned any oil and worked fine after that. Is this a problem with the cummins in the cold? There is NO BLOCK HEATER! and the oil was cold and THICK. But where would it have been coming from? and WHY? I have to haul 2000 miles with my truck in the next week so I'm a bit concerned. not to mention I don't want to kill a Mint Condition Motor. This MOtor REALLY IS LIKE NEW- Never been Worked. ANY WORDS OF WISDOM WELCOME

ctd8999 · 01-25-2007, 11:13 AM

Your metal cooling lines maybe getting rusty or your hoses could be leaking alittle, check your clamps. Just my .02's. Thanks Steve B.

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ctd8999 · 01-25-2007, 11:23 AM

A oil leak on pass side can only be your oil filter or turbo feed or drain line. Check these to make sure none are loose. Again just my .02's. Thanks Steve B.

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cahammer · 01-26-2007, 02:24 AM

since you have no block heater you might want to get a magnetic pan heater that you can slap on your oil pan I also wonder if the oil came out of the crank case vent but I really don't know much about the1st gens

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Evil Twin · 01-26-2007, 04:44 AM

welcome...i have ski-doo'd in your area many of times

like everyone said check all the lines and oil filter to make sure it is tight

see if you can find where it is coming from ...maybe we could help a little more

Scott

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Oregonpharmer · 01-26-2007, 05:35 PM

Check your antifreeze for freshness and PH. Old antifreeze that has become acidic will make snowcones in the oil cooler and can deform the oil cooler cover enough to allow temporary oil leakage. Generally if this happens it is a good idea to pull the cooler and install new gaskets.

When you go to new antifreeze, use a propylene glycol antifreeze such as Amsoil, or the waterless propylene glycol coolant from EvansCool. Stay away from that new OEM orange crap at any cost, it turns acidic in a diesel in just a few months.

The other place to check is the drain hose for the turbo. If it gets old it will develop cracks and then moisture from the hot oil will condense in the metal connector at the bottom, freeze the hole shut at night, and block the oil drain. If the hose is soft or swollen, pick up a new orange silicone compound one from either Cummins or Detroit Diesel. Detroit's will be half the cost, and is the exact same hose!

mrmajestic · 01-26-2007, 06:52 PM

I don't know how they came in the first gen's, my '93 had a block heater, but my '06 has a heater just no cord. I would think this would be a big concern with those temps. It was 6 degrees Fahrenheit this morning here, too cold after returning from San Diego, and mine started like a champ. The cable is on order. Check the freeze plugs behind the oil filter and see if yours is there, minus cord.

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01-25-2007, 08:11 AM	#1 (permalink)
daytrp Newbie Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 1 daytrp's Truck Pics	PUKING UP OIL AT -22F (-30c) when starting I just went to South Carolina and Picked up a new to me 91 Cummins 250 2WD. I drove it to kentucky, then Michagan, then Sudbury Ontario. it was +50F in SC when I left, and -22F in Sudbury. The truck drove great, and the motor is like new. lots of compression does not use oil. Last night was the first night it sat in cold like this. went to start it this morning and it started, but slowly. got some coffee and came back 10 min later and there are about 2 cups of oil on the ground under the block, a third of the way back on the passanger side. There was a antifreeze dripping too. Antifreeze in the Resovuir was not frozen, nor was the radiator. I drove her 5 miles to feed my horses, and let it run there. No new oil in front of the barn. I drove it back home and let it run in the drive for 20 minutes. no new lake of oil. I had an 89 cummins do something similar to me last year, but it never burned any oil and worked fine after that. Is this a problem with the cummins in the cold? There is NO BLOCK HEATER! and the oil was cold and THICK. But where would it have been coming from? and WHY? I have to haul 2000 miles with my truck in the next week so I'm a bit concerned. not to mention I don't want to kill a Mint Condition Motor. This MOtor REALLY IS LIKE NEW- Never been Worked. ANY WORDS OF WISDOM WELCOME

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01-25-2007, 11:13 AM	#2 (permalink)
ctd8999 Cummins Fanatic Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 103 ctd8999's Truck Pics	Your metal cooling lines maybe getting rusty or your hoses could be leaking alittle, check your clamps. Just my .02's. Thanks Steve B. __________________ 99 QC SB 4X4 Goerend Trans/Converter, SO-VP-44, 676/1223, 92 W250 Auto, 4" exhaust, 128K mi. Pretty much stock. Best ET 1/8 mi 7.37 @ 92.06 Best ET 1/4 mi 11.66 @ 115.21.

01-25-2007, 11:23 AM	#3 (permalink)
ctd8999 Cummins Fanatic Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 103 ctd8999's Truck Pics	A oil leak on pass side can only be your oil filter or turbo feed or drain line. Check these to make sure none are loose. Again just my .02's. Thanks Steve B. __________________ 99 QC SB 4X4 Goerend Trans/Converter, SO-VP-44, 676/1223, 92 W250 Auto, 4" exhaust, 128K mi. Pretty much stock. Best ET 1/8 mi 7.37 @ 92.06 Best ET 1/4 mi 11.66 @ 115.21.

01-26-2007, 02:24 AM	#4 (permalink)
cahammer Cummins Enthusiast Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Paul, Idaho Posts: 273 cahammer's Truck Pics	since you have no block heater you might want to get a magnetic pan heater that you can slap on your oil pan I also wonder if the oil came out of the crank case vent but I really don't know much about the1st gens __________________ thanks to my sponser:www.Monster4x4performance.com

01-26-2007, 04:44 AM	#5 (permalink)
Evil Twin Administrator Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Mississauga ont. Canada Posts: 7,345 Evil Twin's Truck Pics	welcome...i have ski-doo'd in your area many of times like everyone said check all the lines and oil filter to make sure it is tight see if you can find where it is coming from ...maybe we could help a little more Scott __________________ 2001 4X4 Q-cab Sport black, full billet DTT trans, billet F-plate Mach 7's, B1-B2 twins, Blue Chip Special X VP, Adrenaline, studded & O-ringed, BD-RAD,Flex-A-Lite electric fans, Autometer Gages, Egt, Boost,Fuel, Oil &,drive pressure, trans temp, RASP, Big line kit, Track bars 2" leveling kit, 271 T-case, DSS, 3rd gen trac bar 623 HP 1175tq with old set-up

01-26-2007, 05:35 PM	#6 (permalink)
Oregonpharmer Tech Specialist Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 186 Oregonpharmer's Truck Pics	Check your antifreeze for freshness and PH. Old antifreeze that has become acidic will make snowcones in the oil cooler and can deform the oil cooler cover enough to allow temporary oil leakage. Generally if this happens it is a good idea to pull the cooler and install new gaskets. When you go to new antifreeze, use a propylene glycol antifreeze such as Amsoil, or the waterless propylene glycol coolant from EvansCool. Stay away from that new OEM orange crap at any cost, it turns acidic in a diesel in just a few months. The other place to check is the drain hose for the turbo. If it gets old it will develop cracks and then moisture from the hot oil will condense in the metal connector at the bottom, freeze the hole shut at night, and block the oil drain. If the hose is soft or swollen, pick up a new orange silicone compound one from either Cummins or Detroit Diesel. Detroit's will be half the cost, and is the exact same hose!

01-26-2007, 06:52 PM	#7 (permalink)
mrmajestic Cummins Nut Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Lititz, PA Posts: 492 mrmajestic's Truck Pics	I don't know how they came in the first gen's, my '93 had a block heater, but my '06 has a heater just no cord. I would think this would be a big concern with those temps. It was 6 degrees Fahrenheit this morning here, too cold after returning from San Diego, and mine started like a champ. The cable is on order. Check the freeze plugs behind the oil filter and see if yours is there, minus cord. __________________ 1999 2500 Quad Cab, 5spd, 4X4, 3.55 LSD, 152K miles, Buckstop w/9K winch, Torque King M/S, K&N FI Perf Kit, 275HP Inj., TST PM3/Smarty stack, PDR boots, Wabro/Areomotive and 1/2" line, PAC Brake w/SWAC, Summit Turbo back 4" pipe, EZ drain, silencer ring MIA, pyro/boost/FP gauges, SBC Con OFE w/HD Adj Hyd, Brite Box, DSS, Centramatics, BFG LT285/75R16/E