HX-35 on first gen

rodneykolk · 08-20-2008, 09:17 AM

Hey everyone, i was wondering if you could give me some info for puting a hx-35 on my dads first gen. what he has now is kinda guttless, and takes forever to spool. not to mention he has 3.07 gears. the motor was originally an automatic, and pretty sure it has a 21 cm turbo. so the question is, what is all involed for putting the new turbo on? he has a pac brake on, so will that be an issue with the exhaust side?? and will the intake side attach with no problems? thanks for you help. RK

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2001 Dodge 3500. Black sport fully loaded. 6 speed manual.
4X4. # to-date 308 hp, 773 torque edge w/attitude. muffler and silencer ring gone.

slim00 · 08-20-2008, 02:23 PM

Working on a similiar project 89 cummins turbo mounts fine but having problems with the intake so we are just going to intercool it.

***plowboy1138*** · 08-20-2008, 02:55 PM

if its intercooled u wont have ne problems....my hx 40 went on slick once i got a 4" down pipe
good luck

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andrew stein, 92 D350 47rhauto banks flexplate, gorend tc, transgo kit drw pyro&boost gauge 40+boshe injectors fuel pin ground and turned with the smoke screw turned all the way in full power screw, holset hx40 WHEN I GROW UP I WANNA B JUST LIKE BEER PLAY

rodneykolk · 08-20-2008, 03:53 PM

so is the length the same? like does the exhaust need to be different at all? like i said, it does have a pacbrake on it. which brings me to the next question, is the pacbrake the same? or will i need a different one?

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2001 Dodge 3500. Black sport fully loaded. 6 speed manual.
4X4. # to-date 308 hp, 773 torque edge w/attitude. muffler and silencer ring gone.

Philip · 08-21-2008, 05:00 AM

You haven't given a year of truck. But you have said 3:08 gears. So most likely we are thinking the truck is nonIC'd. That would mean it has a 18.5 cm housing. Going to a 16cm housing isn't worth the money. A HX35 fits the same exhaust housing you have so no need to change it out. Then you won't have exhaust brake and down pipe issues.

Your biggest issue is the intake. A HX35 has a flange setup for the output side of the compressor. Your H1C has a straight piece of casting that the hose slides over and you clamp it down. You would need to make a new cross over pipe to the engine inlet.

Adding a larger turbo is not going to add any power. You have to add fuel to do that. Install a pryometer and boost gage. Then come back and ask how to turn it up a little.

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93 W350 w/duals, fuel pin turned, 6X.018" injectors, 4" exhaust, 3" air intake horn, HX40/16, auto, 307's axles' B&W flatbed,

Last edited by Philip : 08-21-2008 at 05:02 AM.

slim00 · 08-23-2008, 09:41 AM

not sure on exhaust yet will find out today. We used a ic from a 2000 cummins fits like a glove. going to plumb everything today and fire it up should run good with the 300 hp p pump injectors hx35 4" exhaust tuned pump headstuds and of course the ic. if you have any? on the install or want some pics. pm me.

Richie Osgood · 08-23-2008, 06:50 PM

P pump injectors on a ve first gen. Don't think that will work good. Unless the pop pressures have been reworked and spray angle corrected.

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89 dodge 3/4 4x4, A727 ,3.07 gears, factory L S , powerstroke intercooler, S300, stans exaust with stainless tailpipe, fuel power screw turned?, fuel pin turned to deepest, 3 turns smoke screw, 1/2 turn down on starwheel.

93 W250 extended cab, stock with rag.

rodneykolk · 08-24-2008, 06:03 PM

well actually the truck is a 1984 crewcab. my uncle built it about 7 years back. it is intercooled, but i'm pretty sure it still have the 21 cm housing on it. and with the 3.08 gears and a 5 speed, it takes a long time to spool up. and the pump is turned up and he has 40 hp injectors in it. before the injectors it was dynoed at 180 hp so i'm guessing hes inthe 210-220 range. so ya. thanks for the info so far

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2001 Dodge 3500. Black sport fully loaded. 6 speed manual.
4X4. # to-date 308 hp, 773 torque edge w/attitude. muffler and silencer ring gone.

Paccool · 08-24-2008, 07:21 PM

Try dropping the starwheel down and see if that helps any. Make sure the AFC fuel cone is turned so the deepest cut is toward the front of the engine.

My HIC was not too bad on lag, when I put the 35 on it got a little better but I also had a 16 housing on at the time. It ran about 36 psi boost with the 16 housing. Right now the 35 is the top turbo of the twins setup.

Look on the exhaust housing, on the sides, it will say what turbo housing you have. If you have a 21, I would suggest changing it. If he has a pacbrake, the housing may have been changed to the bolt up design rather than the v clamp for the downpipe.

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Stan

93 D250, PDR Twins HX35&HT3B, 60+# boost,PDR stage 2 head w/o-rings, PDR Cam, modified VE Pump, piston style lift pump, modified 5" intake w/AFE, ATS ported manifold,DTT 89% converter, 4" RIP exhaust, modified tranny, EGT/boost/tranny/tach gauges, TPS removed, a little chrome under the hood. Mag-Hitec tranny and diff. covers. Rear sway bar. Line-x bed liner, after market seats. Front end rebuilt with new springs - 2 " taller now. Single stage Water/Meth system installed. Oversized intercooler w/3" IC lines.

05 Chevy 2500 HD, Duramax W/Allison, 17" Hummer wheels w/285-70-17 BFG's, modified air box, ported turbo mouthpiece. Predator programmer.

rodneykolk · 08-31-2008, 08:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paccool

Try dropping the starwheel down and see if that helps any. Make sure the AFC fuel cone is turned so the deepest cut is toward the front of the engine.

My HIC was not too bad on lag, when I put the 35 on it got a little better but I also had a 16 housing on at the time. It ran about 36 psi boost with the 16 housing. Right now the 35 is the top turbo of the twins setup.

Look on the exhaust housing, on the sides, it will say what turbo housing you have. If you have a 21, I would suggest changing it. If he has a pacbrake, the housing may have been changed to the bolt up design rather than the v clamp for the downpipe.

No it still has the same houseing with the v clamp. so hopefully the exhaust will work. the turbo that would prolly go on would be from a 2001 automatic, the super small looking one. what do you think of that idea? would that work? or would exhaust temps go through the roof?

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2001 Dodge 3500. Black sport fully loaded. 6 speed manual.
4X4. # to-date 308 hp, 773 torque edge w/attitude. muffler and silencer ring gone.

Philip · 08-31-2008, 09:22 PM

That 2001 auto turbo is a HY35. It flows just about the same as a H1C does. That 9cm housing could be an issue on EGt's if you turn it up very much. If you tow any it is to small.

What year model did the engine come out of???

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93 W350 w/duals, fuel pin turned, 6X.018" injectors, 4" exhaust, 3" air intake horn, HX40/16, auto, 307's axles' B&W flatbed,

rodneykolk · 09-01-2008, 11:35 PM

Oh i see. so that turbo would be too small then? the engine is from i believe a 1991.5 so it is intercooled. i'm assuming the 9 cm housing would spool rather quickley? he does tow a 27ft fifth wheel trailer, do you think its worth it to put a new turbo on?

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2001 Dodge 3500. Black sport fully loaded. 6 speed manual.
4X4. # to-date 308 hp, 773 torque edge w/attitude. muffler and silencer ring gone.

08-20-2008, 09:17 AM	#1 (permalink)
rodneykolk Cummins Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Delta BC canada Posts: 184 rodneykolk's Truck Pics	HX-35 on first gen Hey everyone, i was wondering if you could give me some info for puting a hx-35 on my dads first gen. what he has now is kinda guttless, and takes forever to spool. not to mention he has 3.07 gears. the motor was originally an automatic, and pretty sure it has a 21 cm turbo. so the question is, what is all involed for putting the new turbo on? he has a pac brake on, so will that be an issue with the exhaust side?? and will the intake side attach with no problems? thanks for you help. RK __________________ 2001 Dodge 3500. Black sport fully loaded. 6 speed manual. 4X4. # to-date 308 hp, 773 torque edge w/attitude. muffler and silencer ring gone.

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08-20-2008, 02:23 PM	#2 (permalink)
slim00 Newbie Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 9 slim00's Truck Pics	Working on a similiar project 89 cummins turbo mounts fine but having problems with the intake so we are just going to intercool it.

08-20-2008, 02:55 PM	#3 (permalink)
*plowboy1138* proffesional bs'r Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: caledonia,ny Posts: 307 plowboy1138's Truck Pics	if its intercooled u wont have ne problems....my hx 40 went on slick once i got a 4" down pipe good luck __________________ andrew stein, 92 D350 47rhauto banks flexplate, gorend tc, transgo kit drw pyro&boost gauge 40+boshe injectors fuel pin ground and turned with the smoke screw turned all the way in full power screw, holset hx40 WHEN I GROW UP I WANNA B JUST LIKE BEER PLAY

08-20-2008, 03:53 PM	#4 (permalink)
rodneykolk Cummins Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Delta BC canada Posts: 184 rodneykolk's Truck Pics	so is the length the same? like does the exhaust need to be different at all? like i said, it does have a pacbrake on it. which brings me to the next question, is the pacbrake the same? or will i need a different one? __________________ 2001 Dodge 3500. Black sport fully loaded. 6 speed manual. 4X4. # to-date 308 hp, 773 torque edge w/attitude. muffler and silencer ring gone.

08-21-2008, 05:00 AM	#5 (permalink)
Philip 1ST GEN TECH ADVISOR Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Indiana Posts: 1,126 Philip's Truck Pics	You haven't given a year of truck. But you have said 3:08 gears. So most likely we are thinking the truck is nonIC'd. That would mean it has a 18.5 cm housing. Going to a 16cm housing isn't worth the money. A HX35 fits the same exhaust housing you have so no need to change it out. Then you won't have exhaust brake and down pipe issues. Your biggest issue is the intake. A HX35 has a flange setup for the output side of the compressor. Your H1C has a straight piece of casting that the hose slides over and you clamp it down. You would need to make a new cross over pipe to the engine inlet. Adding a larger turbo is not going to add any power. You have to add fuel to do that. Install a pryometer and boost gage. Then come back and ask how to turn it up a little. __________________ 93 W350 w/duals, fuel pin turned, 6X.018" injectors, 4" exhaust, 3" air intake horn, HX40/16, auto, 307's axles' B&W flatbed, Last edited by Philip : 08-21-2008 at 05:02 AM.

08-23-2008, 09:41 AM	#6 (permalink)
slim00 Newbie Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 9 slim00's Truck Pics	not sure on exhaust yet will find out today. We used a ic from a 2000 cummins fits like a glove. going to plumb everything today and fire it up should run good with the 300 hp p pump injectors hx35 4" exhaust tuned pump headstuds and of course the ic. if you have any? on the install or want some pics. pm me.

08-23-2008, 06:50 PM	#7 (permalink)
Richie Osgood Cummins Nut Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 346 Richie Osgood's Truck Pics	P pump injectors on a ve first gen. Don't think that will work good. Unless the pop pressures have been reworked and spray angle corrected. __________________ 89 dodge 3/4 4x4, A727 ,3.07 gears, factory L S , powerstroke intercooler, S300, stans exaust with stainless tailpipe, fuel power screw turned?, fuel pin turned to deepest, 3 turns smoke screw, 1/2 turn down on starwheel. 93 W250 extended cab, stock with rag.

08-24-2008, 06:03 PM	#8 (permalink)
rodneykolk Cummins Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Delta BC canada Posts: 184 rodneykolk's Truck Pics	well actually the truck is a 1984 crewcab. my uncle built it about 7 years back. it is intercooled, but i'm pretty sure it still have the 21 cm housing on it. and with the 3.08 gears and a 5 speed, it takes a long time to spool up. and the pump is turned up and he has 40 hp injectors in it. before the injectors it was dynoed at 180 hp so i'm guessing hes inthe 210-220 range. so ya. thanks for the info so far __________________ 2001 Dodge 3500. Black sport fully loaded. 6 speed manual. 4X4. # to-date 308 hp, 773 torque edge w/attitude. muffler and silencer ring gone.

08-24-2008, 07:21 PM	#9 (permalink)
Paccool Admin Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: NorCal Posts: 2,366 Paccool's Truck Pics	Try dropping the starwheel down and see if that helps any. Make sure the AFC fuel cone is turned so the deepest cut is toward the front of the engine. My HIC was not too bad on lag, when I put the 35 on it got a little better but I also had a 16 housing on at the time. It ran about 36 psi boost with the 16 housing. Right now the 35 is the top turbo of the twins setup. Look on the exhaust housing, on the sides, it will say what turbo housing you have. If you have a 21, I would suggest changing it. If he has a pacbrake, the housing may have been changed to the bolt up design rather than the v clamp for the downpipe. __________________ Stan 93 D250, PDR Twins HX35&HT3B, 60+# boost,PDR stage 2 head w/o-rings, PDR Cam, modified VE Pump, piston style lift pump, modified 5" intake w/AFE, ATS ported manifold,DTT 89% converter, 4" RIP exhaust, modified tranny, EGT/boost/tranny/tach gauges, TPS removed, a little chrome under the hood. Mag-Hitec tranny and diff. covers. Rear sway bar. Line-x bed liner, after market seats. Front end rebuilt with new springs - 2 " taller now. Single stage Water/Meth system installed. Oversized intercooler w/3" IC lines. 05 Chevy 2500 HD, Duramax W/Allison, 17" Hummer wheels w/285-70-17 BFG's, modified air box, ported turbo mouthpiece. Predator programmer.

08-31-2008, 09:22 PM	#11 (permalink)
Philip 1ST GEN TECH ADVISOR Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Indiana Posts: 1,126 Philip's Truck Pics	That 2001 auto turbo is a HY35. It flows just about the same as a H1C does. That 9cm housing could be an issue on EGt's if you turn it up very much. If you tow any it is to small. What year model did the engine come out of??? __________________ 93 W350 w/duals, fuel pin turned, 6X.018" injectors, 4" exhaust, 3" air intake horn, HX40/16, auto, 307's axles' B&W flatbed,

09-01-2008, 11:35 PM	#12 (permalink)
rodneykolk Cummins Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Delta BC canada Posts: 184 rodneykolk's Truck Pics	Oh i see. so that turbo would be too small then? the engine is from i believe a 1991.5 so it is intercooled. i'm assuming the 9 cm housing would spool rather quickley? he does tow a 27ft fifth wheel trailer, do you think its worth it to put a new turbo on? __________________ 2001 Dodge 3500. Black sport fully loaded. 6 speed manual. 4X4. # to-date 308 hp, 773 torque edge w/attitude. muffler and silencer ring gone.