Injectors - New Era VS BD VS DDP VS others?

freak007 · 11-03-2009, 02:02 PM

I am looking for some opinions on injectors for a first gen...

I am looking for an injector that when matched to the correct (single) turbo is capable of producing a SUSTAINABLE/TOWABLE 300 RWHP with minimal smoke (smoke on demand is ok

), reasonable heat, and minimal reduction in mileage (increased mileage is better).

If this same injector could be capable of more power (again it must be sustainable power) with twins, awesome... If not, that is okay too.

This is for a conversion. The recipient is a lifted '85 Dodge Crew Cab. Truck weighs 6400 with the stock small block and will gross at weights up to 15,000 (occasionally more). Trans will be a G360, gears are 3.54s and tires are 35"

Now let the opinions fly

grizzly_man07 · 11-03-2009, 02:48 PM

i got pods. good cheap power. im runnin stock turbo tho

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Richie O · 11-03-2009, 10:02 PM

For 300 ( usable ) hp your going to need a very good turbo. I have 300 horse at the wheels with my 93 and it is way hot. I can peg the 1500 egt with an empty truck. I have the 60 mm GDS upgraded turbo. You will need a way better set up then that.

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89 dodge 3/4 4x4, A727 ,3.07 gears, factory L S , powerstroke intercooler, S300, stans exaust with stainless tailpipe, fuel power screw turned?, fuel pin turned to deepest, 3 turns smoke screw, 1/2 turn down on starwheel.

93 W250 ex cab, 6X16's, 60 GDS, rag

grizzly_man07 · 11-04-2009, 07:43 AM

true true. if you wanna hit 300 i would suggest either the hx40 or a s300

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91 d250 ic 5sp with some goodies

"Time to nut up, or shut up" - Tallahassee

#2isgreen · 11-04-2009, 09:33 PM

i'm shooting for 300ish too and i was planning ddp 4 injectors (80hp) and a s300. think the ddp 4"s are big enough? also i'm hoping to just re-torque my stock head bolts and keep boost around 35-40 psi.

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93 W250 4x4 CC LE. Denny T, Goerends 90% converter, pyro, boost & tach gauges, cooler tubz, 366 spring, fuel screw turned in, stans 4" no muffler, timing 3/16th, BHAF
06 TDI 5SP. BEST TANK SO FAR 48.75 MPG RC 1+

freak007 · 11-08-2009, 10:36 PM

Okay, a lot more research and a few more questions....

What is the general consensus about Coaltrain's injectors?

What would the performance difference between a 5x12 (.0005652 total area) and a 6x11 (total area .0005699) be? - In other words, if the total area is "the same", and spray angle identical, are 5 holes or 6 holes preferred, and why?

1stgenjake · 11-08-2009, 11:40 PM

i would say 6 hole

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'93 w250- PODs, Isspro 4k tach, autometer boost, fuel pressure, and EGT gauges, 4" dp to 7" chrome miter cut single stack, BD fuel pin, pump maxed, 366, Amsoil cold air, DTech S300 62/65/12, Valair ceramic clutch. piston lift pump, ARP studs .20 over gasket

***unixcowboy*** · 11-09-2009, 03:12 PM

Same area should be the same flow.

BUT --

Would you rather take a shower with 100 psi water pressure using a shower head or a 1" hose ???

Better fuel dispersion = more surface area to burn = better burning of available fuel = more power.

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'93 D250 Auto CC HX-40 60/65/17 w/hx50 flange - hit 57 held 55 psi OOPS => 6x16's <=, 366 spring w/1 turn clipped, power screw bottomed-backed off 1 turn, M2 power pin, removed limit washer, smoke screw fully out, starwheel 4 up - modified top to get pin higher, '94 built trans - clutches and some hard parts, 4510 w/4 1/2" intake and heat shield, htr grids MIA, 4" dp -> 5" pipe -> 5" Stack, 285's rear 265's front

**cummins_spool_spinner** · 11-09-2009, 03:46 PM

i like new era IMO but there down right now

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***unixcowboy*** · 11-09-2009, 04:44 PM

Try these guys ...

FTE Diesel.com / Diesel Performance Parts for Diesel Pickup Enthusiasts...

Nice, friendly, fast service, GOOD Price -- under $500 delivered with my sticks sent in.

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'93 D250 Auto CC HX-40 60/65/17 w/hx50 flange - hit 57 held 55 psi OOPS => 6x16's <=, 366 spring w/1 turn clipped, power screw bottomed-backed off 1 turn, M2 power pin, removed limit washer, smoke screw fully out, starwheel 4 up - modified top to get pin higher, '94 built trans - clutches and some hard parts, 4510 w/4 1/2" intake and heat shield, htr grids MIA, 4" dp -> 5" pipe -> 5" Stack, 285's rear 265's front

***unixcowboy*** · 11-10-2009, 07:33 PM

Anyone have an answer as to why the stock stick have the ?????? -- whatever -- in the top where the fuel lines connect ??

The spare set I had and sent in for my 6x.016's didn't have anything but a hole...

That thing in there had to be limiting my max fuel capabilities...

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'93 D250 Auto CC HX-40 60/65/17 w/hx50 flange - hit 57 held 55 psi OOPS => 6x16's <=, 366 spring w/1 turn clipped, power screw bottomed-backed off 1 turn, M2 power pin, removed limit washer, smoke screw fully out, starwheel 4 up - modified top to get pin higher, '94 built trans - clutches and some hard parts, 4510 w/4 1/2" intake and heat shield, htr grids MIA, 4" dp -> 5" pipe -> 5" Stack, 285's rear 265's front

TTipsword · 11-11-2009, 01:20 PM

Check out Southern diesel extreme. I have a set oredered but they are not in yet. I hear good reports about their sticks. Good price and great coustomer service.

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1992 dodge W250, pump maxed, cooler tubz, Denny T pin, SDX 5x.014's

11-03-2009, 02:02 PM	#1 (permalink)
freak007 Cummins Fanatic Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 157 Thanks: 1 Thanked 5 Times in 5 Posts freak007's Truck Pics	Injectors - New Era VS BD VS DDP VS others? I am looking for some opinions on injectors for a first gen... I am looking for an injector that when matched to the correct (single) turbo is capable of producing a SUSTAINABLE/TOWABLE 300 RWHP with minimal smoke (smoke on demand is ok ), reasonable heat, and minimal reduction in mileage (increased mileage is better). If this same injector could be capable of more power (again it must be sustainable power) with twins, awesome... If not, that is okay too. This is for a conversion. The recipient is a lifted '85 Dodge Crew Cab. Truck weighs 6400 with the stock small block and will gross at weights up to 15,000 (occasionally more). Trans will be a G360, gears are 3.54s and tires are 35" Now let the opinions fly

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11-03-2009, 02:48 PM	#2 (permalink)
grizzly_man07 Diesel Head Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 2,175 Thanks: 9 Thanked 56 Times in 53 Posts grizzly_man07's Truck Pics	i got pods. good cheap power. im runnin stock turbo tho __________________ 91 d250 ic 5sp with some goodies "Time to nut up, or shut up" - Tallahassee

11-03-2009, 10:02 PM	#3 (permalink)
Richie O Diesel Freak Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 884 Thanks: 0 Thanked 20 Times in 14 Posts Richie O's Truck Pics	For 300 ( usable ) hp your going to need a very good turbo. I have 300 horse at the wheels with my 93 and it is way hot. I can peg the 1500 egt with an empty truck. I have the 60 mm GDS upgraded turbo. You will need a way better set up then that. __________________ 89 dodge 3/4 4x4, A727 ,3.07 gears, factory L S , powerstroke intercooler, S300, stans exaust with stainless tailpipe, fuel power screw turned?, fuel pin turned to deepest, 3 turns smoke screw, 1/2 turn down on starwheel. 93 W250 ex cab, 6X16's, 60 GDS, rag

11-04-2009, 07:43 AM	#4 (permalink)
grizzly_man07 Diesel Head Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 2,175 Thanks: 9 Thanked 56 Times in 53 Posts grizzly_man07's Truck Pics	true true. if you wanna hit 300 i would suggest either the hx40 or a s300 __________________ 91 d250 ic 5sp with some goodies "Time to nut up, or shut up" - Tallahassee

11-04-2009, 09:33 PM	#5 (permalink)
#2isgreen Cummins Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: MD Posts: 184 Thanks: 2 Thanked 5 Times in 5 Posts #2isgreen's Truck Pics	i'm shooting for 300ish too and i was planning ddp 4 injectors (80hp) and a s300. think the ddp 4"s are big enough? also i'm hoping to just re-torque my stock head bolts and keep boost around 35-40 psi. __________________ 93 W250 4x4 CC LE. Denny T, Goerends 90% converter, pyro, boost & tach gauges, cooler tubz, 366 spring, fuel screw turned in, stans 4" no muffler, timing 3/16th, BHAF 06 TDI 5SP. BEST TANK SO FAR 48.75 MPG RC 1+

11-08-2009, 10:36 PM	#6 (permalink)
freak007 Cummins Fanatic Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 157 Thanks: 1 Thanked 5 Times in 5 Posts freak007's Truck Pics	Okay, a lot more research and a few more questions.... What is the general consensus about Coaltrain's injectors? What would the performance difference between a 5x12 (.0005652 total area) and a 6x11 (total area .0005699) be? - In other words, if the total area is "the same", and spray angle identical, are 5 holes or 6 holes preferred, and why?

11-08-2009, 11:40 PM	#7 (permalink)
1stgenjake Cummins Nut Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 321 Thanks: 1 Thanked 4 Times in 4 Posts 1stgenjake's Truck Pics	i would say 6 hole __________________ '93 w250- PODs, Isspro 4k tach, autometer boost, fuel pressure, and EGT gauges, 4" dp to 7" chrome miter cut single stack, BD fuel pin, pump maxed, 366, Amsoil cold air, DTech S300 62/65/12, Valair ceramic clutch. piston lift pump, ARP studs .20 over gasket

11-09-2009, 03:12 PM	#8 (permalink)
*unixcowboy* Diesel Head Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Lansing, Mi Posts: 1,060 Thanks: 1 Thanked 9 Times in 9 Posts unixcowboy's Truck Pics	Same area should be the same flow. BUT -- Would you rather take a shower with 100 psi water pressure using a shower head or a 1" hose ??? Better fuel dispersion = more surface area to burn = better burning of available fuel = more power. __________________ '93 D250 Auto CC HX-40 60/65/17 w/hx50 flange - hit 57 held 55 psi OOPS => 6x16's <=, 366 spring w/1 turn clipped, power screw bottomed-backed off 1 turn, M2 power pin, removed limit washer, smoke screw fully out, starwheel 4 up - modified top to get pin higher, '94 built trans - clutches and some hard parts, 4510 w/4 1/2" intake and heat shield, htr grids MIA, 4" dp -> 5" pipe -> 5" Stack, 285's rear 265's front

11-09-2009, 03:46 PM	#9 (permalink)
cummins_spool_spinner Cope Wisconsin Chapter VP Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Diamond Bluff/San Diego Posts: 401 Thanks: 24 Thanked 10 Times in 7 Posts cummins_spool_spinner's Truck Pics	i like new era IMO but there down right now __________________ 92 W-250 CC. Too much to list. (Found on blocks, Reward for Death of Stealers) Our beer chapter has a diesel problem. "I'll smack you so fn hard it'll feel like you kissed a train"-Favorite Quote USMC 2/5 0331. We be steady mobbing Cope Wisconsin Chapter VP Clicky the Linky---->WISCONSIN COAL ROLLERS

11-09-2009, 04:44 PM	#10 (permalink)
*unixcowboy* Diesel Head Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Lansing, Mi Posts: 1,060 Thanks: 1 Thanked 9 Times in 9 Posts unixcowboy's Truck Pics	Try these guys ... FTE Diesel.com / Diesel Performance Parts for Diesel Pickup Enthusiasts... Nice, friendly, fast service, GOOD Price -- under $500 delivered with my sticks sent in. __________________ '93 D250 Auto CC HX-40 60/65/17 w/hx50 flange - hit 57 held 55 psi OOPS => 6x16's <=, 366 spring w/1 turn clipped, power screw bottomed-backed off 1 turn, M2 power pin, removed limit washer, smoke screw fully out, starwheel 4 up - modified top to get pin higher, '94 built trans - clutches and some hard parts, 4510 w/4 1/2" intake and heat shield, htr grids MIA, 4" dp -> 5" pipe -> 5" Stack, 285's rear 265's front

11-11-2009, 01:20 PM	#12 (permalink)
TTipsword Cummins Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Cheyenne, Wy Posts: 104 Thanks: 0 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts TTipsword's Truck Pics	Check out Southern diesel extreme. I have a set oredered but they are not in yet. I hear good reports about their sticks. Good price and great coustomer service. __________________ 1992 dodge W250, pump maxed, cooler tubz, Denny T pin, SDX 5x.014's