H&S XRT or Smarty - New Questions

CasesCustoms · 11-03-2009, 01:31 PM

Hey guys,

I have been searching all of the posts about the XRT and the Smarty as I am finally ready to start ordering the parts to perform the deletes but I still have a couple of questions.

1. Why does the XRT list for $799 and the Smarty comes in at $685? The Smarty seems to have more adjustability and quicker uploading times but H&S have amazing customer service. Is there more to why H&S's price is so much more?

2. Do I have to install a Fuel Rail Shim Kit if I go with the Smarty? H&S says that it is a must with the XRT.

Let me know your thoughts guys, any help would be appreciated.

Also if it helps, I don't plan to go crazy with the HP at this time. I plan to stick to the 60HP or under tunes.

Thanks Guys!

__________________
2008 2500 MegaCab, 6.7L, 68RFE, 3.73 Gears, 4x4, Inferno Red, 2" HBS Leveling Kit, Lorenz Sway Bar Drop Blocks, Bilstein Front Shocks, 285/75-R17 Toyo MTs. Mostly Stock (For right now)

Alabama Mud Machine · 11-03-2009, 01:41 PM

I really wish i could help you with question 1....but I think it's just a matter of that's what the price was set at, and both are selling pretty good, and they're both excellent products....so, I guess they figured just stick with it. know what I mean?

2.) Didn't know it was a must...I know it is recommended for the higher tunes (175 hp+). Been told the Smarty seems to run a little better with fuel-plug. I've been meaning to get one of those, just haven't had the time or money.

I think for towing you might like the Smarty a bit better b/c of the adjustability factor....but the XRT is kinda nice just to be able to install pre-set tunes and forget it. The Smarty is ALOT faster on my truck to install than the XRT was...but that's b/c they do different methods as far as programming the ECM. I can't remember what exactly...but something like the Smarty alters your stock tune, and the XRT removes it...saves it....then installs H&S's tune. And that's why it takes so long for the XRT.

If I'm wrong, I appologize...Hopefully someone will jump in to correct me.

Sorry I couldn't help more.

AMM

__________________
2007.5 RAM 2500 4x4, 6.7L / 68RFE - 6" Fabtech, 38" Mud-Grapplers, 20" Helo's, N-Fab steps, SMARTY, 5" TBE, AFE Mega-Cannon, Isspro EV2's, BOD Intake Horn.
Rollin Smoke Diesel - www.rollinsmokediesel.com

Big Silver · 11-03-2009, 01:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CasesCustoms

Hey guys,

I have been searching all of the posts about the XRT and the Smarty as I am finally ready to start ordering the parts to perform the deletes but I still have a couple of questions.

1. Why does the XRT list for $799 and the Smarty comes in at $685? The Smarty seems to have more adjustability and quicker uploading times but H&S have amazing customer service. Is there more to why H&S's price is so much more?

2. Do I have to install a Fuel Rail Shim Kit if I go with the Smarty? H&S says that it is a must with the XRT.

Let me know your thoughts guys, any help would be appreciated.

Also if it helps, I don't plan to go crazy with the HP at this time. I plan to stick to the 60HP or under tunes.

Thanks Guys!

That's a first for me. I'm running mine fine without any shims.

As for price not sure but this is my theory. Mads (Smarty) has been around for some time with their products on the market. H&S is a relatively new company, gotta pay for R&D.

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***dad2bike*** · 11-03-2009, 02:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CasesCustoms

Hey guys,

I have been searching all of the posts about the XRT and the Smarty as I am finally ready to start ordering the parts to perform the deletes but I still have a couple of questions.

1. Why does the XRT list for $799 and the Smarty comes in at $685? The Smarty seems to have more adjustability and quicker uploading times but H&S have amazing customer service. Is there more to why H&S's price is so much more?

2. Do I have to install a Fuel Rail Shim Kit if I go with the Smarty? H&S says that it is a must with the XRT.

Let me know your thoughts guys, any help would be appreciated.

Also if it helps, I don't plan to go crazy with the HP at this time. I plan to stick to the 60HP or under tunes.

Thanks Guys!

1-

Heck the XRT was $999 when it was first released. (sorry for the salt AMM) Difference in price, simple capitolism at work. Each company sets their own prices. The market will cause adjustments.

2-Based on your statement of lower power settings, No shims required.

AMM pretty much covered the high points in his post.
Both are great products.
2 major factors as I see it:
Smoke- If you want smoke then XRT. Little to no Smoke the Smarty
Tinker/Ronco method- If you want adjustability at your disposal, the Smarty. "Set it and forget it" the XRT.

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Tom
2008 Quad-Cab,LB, 2500, 6.7L, 4X4, White/Kaki, Big-Horn, 3.73 Auto, AS flash, K&N Air Filter, no baffle, Testing in progress- step 4, Stealth DPF, Smarty sw3 PMT gauges. Mag-Hytec Pan & Diff covers.Toms smarty Journal ....... DIY Deletes How-To

Stealth is the WORD!

Alabama Mud Machine · 11-03-2009, 02:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Big Silver

That's a first for me. I'm running mine fine without any shims.

As for price not sure but this is my theory. Mads (Smarty) has been around for some time with their products on the market. H&S is a relatively new company, gotta pay for R&D.

Don't forget having to pay for over-head as well. That is what kills most new companies is getting in up to their eyeballs.

__________________
2007.5 RAM 2500 4x4, 6.7L / 68RFE - 6" Fabtech, 38" Mud-Grapplers, 20" Helo's, N-Fab steps, SMARTY, 5" TBE, AFE Mega-Cannon, Isspro EV2's, BOD Intake Horn.
Rollin Smoke Diesel - www.rollinsmokediesel.com

CasesCustoms · 11-03-2009, 04:15 PM

Thanks for all of the great info guys.

It makes sense that the fuel shim wouldn't be needed for the lower tunes but I was concerned because the H&S website just makes a blanket statement, thanks for clearing that one up.

I guess it really does come down to each person's own preference and what mods they plan to do down the road.

__________________
2008 2500 MegaCab, 6.7L, 68RFE, 3.73 Gears, 4x4, Inferno Red, 2" HBS Leveling Kit, Lorenz Sway Bar Drop Blocks, Bilstein Front Shocks, 285/75-R17 Toyo MTs. Mostly Stock (For right now)

***SkinInc69*** · 11-03-2009, 04:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CasesCustoms

Thanks for all of the great info guys.

It makes sense that the fuel shim wouldn't be needed for the lower tunes but I was concerned because the H&S website just makes a blanket statement, thanks for clearing that one up.

I guess it really does come down to each person's own preference and what mods they plan to do down the road.

There is a great price on an XRT in the classifieds from a fellow member. You save some money and help a member out at the same time.

XRT and Edge Insight

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***2500MegaDiesel*** · 11-03-2009, 05:05 PM

And another deal on an XRT

FS: XRT $600 shipped

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2007 2500 Mega Cab 6.7L Auto 2 WD Exhaust Brake, Edge Juice with Attitude, MHP/B&G TCM Mod Tune, Nitto Terra Grappler 285 70 17, AFE Stage 2 Pro Dry, Fixed the DPF and NOX which work much better now, Coming soon, Shibby Stage one intake install with EGR fix and EWG too, XRT on 60, Smarty here, A wealth of stealth.

Have my house for sale digphoto.net/home

Alabama Mud Machine · 11-03-2009, 05:12 PM

Wonder why there are more XRT being sold than Smarties.................

I'm just messin with yall. Nobody get sand in their vag.

__________________
2007.5 RAM 2500 4x4, 6.7L / 68RFE - 6" Fabtech, 38" Mud-Grapplers, 20" Helo's, N-Fab steps, SMARTY, 5" TBE, AFE Mega-Cannon, Isspro EV2's, BOD Intake Horn.
Rollin Smoke Diesel - www.rollinsmokediesel.com

ban89 · 11-03-2009, 05:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alabama Mud Machine

Wonder why there are more XRT being sold than Smarties.................

I'm just messin with yall. Nobody get sand in their vag.

Because they are upgrading to the Black Maxx

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2007.5 w/ 6.7l, auto, XRT 175hp, Suspended by Carli Bilstein 2.65'' and some Carli extras
Class 7 Prerunner 520HP Ford, equal length i-beams/3 link w/ King Coilovers/Bypasses/bumps

Alabama Mud Machine · 11-03-2009, 05:24 PM

I know that....I was being a smart azz. Thanks for pointing that out though.

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2007.5 RAM 2500 4x4, 6.7L / 68RFE - 6" Fabtech, 38" Mud-Grapplers, 20" Helo's, N-Fab steps, SMARTY, 5" TBE, AFE Mega-Cannon, Isspro EV2's, BOD Intake Horn.
Rollin Smoke Diesel - www.rollinsmokediesel.com

ban89 · 11-03-2009, 05:33 PM

I know I just love being an A$$ and pointing it out.

I wouldnt mind giving the Smarty a try but the XRT works so well on my truck I dont want to jinx it.

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2007.5 w/ 6.7l, auto, XRT 175hp, Suspended by Carli Bilstein 2.65'' and some Carli extras
Class 7 Prerunner 520HP Ford, equal length i-beams/3 link w/ King Coilovers/Bypasses/bumps

Last edited by ban89 : 11-03-2009 at 05:38 PM.

11-03-2009, 01:31 PM	#1 (permalink)
CasesCustoms Cummins Fan Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 49 Thanks: 2 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post CasesCustoms's Truck Pics	H&S XRT or Smarty - New Questions Hey guys, I have been searching all of the posts about the XRT and the Smarty as I am finally ready to start ordering the parts to perform the deletes but I still have a couple of questions. 1. Why does the XRT list for $799 and the Smarty comes in at $685? The Smarty seems to have more adjustability and quicker uploading times but H&S have amazing customer service. Is there more to why H&S's price is so much more? 2. Do I have to install a Fuel Rail Shim Kit if I go with the Smarty? H&S says that it is a must with the XRT. Let me know your thoughts guys, any help would be appreciated. Also if it helps, I don't plan to go crazy with the HP at this time. I plan to stick to the 60HP or under tunes. Thanks Guys! __________________ 2008 2500 MegaCab, 6.7L, 68RFE, 3.73 Gears, 4x4, Inferno Red, 2" HBS Leveling Kit, Lorenz Sway Bar Drop Blocks, Bilstein Front Shocks, 285/75-R17 Toyo MTs. Mostly Stock (For right now)

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11-03-2009, 01:41 PM	#2 (permalink)
Alabama Mud Machine Diesel Head Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Montgomery, Alabama Posts: 3,354 Thanks: 125 Thanked 106 Times in 88 Posts Alabama Mud Machine's Truck Pics	I really wish i could help you with question 1....but I think it's just a matter of that's what the price was set at, and both are selling pretty good, and they're both excellent products....so, I guess they figured just stick with it. know what I mean? 2.) Didn't know it was a must...I know it is recommended for the higher tunes (175 hp+). Been told the Smarty seems to run a little better with fuel-plug. I've been meaning to get one of those, just haven't had the time or money. I think for towing you might like the Smarty a bit better b/c of the adjustability factor....but the XRT is kinda nice just to be able to install pre-set tunes and forget it. The Smarty is ALOT faster on my truck to install than the XRT was...but that's b/c they do different methods as far as programming the ECM. I can't remember what exactly...but something like the Smarty alters your stock tune, and the XRT removes it...saves it....then installs H&S's tune. And that's why it takes so long for the XRT. If I'm wrong, I appologize...Hopefully someone will jump in to correct me. Sorry I couldn't help more. AMM __________________ 2007.5 RAM 2500 4x4, 6.7L / 68RFE - 6" Fabtech, 38" Mud-Grapplers, 20" Helo's, N-Fab steps, SMARTY, 5" TBE, AFE Mega-Cannon, Isspro EV2's, BOD Intake Horn. Rollin Smoke Diesel - www.rollinsmokediesel.com

11-03-2009, 04:15 PM	#6 (permalink)
CasesCustoms Cummins Fan Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 49 Thanks: 2 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post CasesCustoms's Truck Pics	Thanks for all of the great info guys. It makes sense that the fuel shim wouldn't be needed for the lower tunes but I was concerned because the H&S website just makes a blanket statement, thanks for clearing that one up. I guess it really does come down to each person's own preference and what mods they plan to do down the road. __________________ 2008 2500 MegaCab, 6.7L, 68RFE, 3.73 Gears, 4x4, Inferno Red, 2" HBS Leveling Kit, Lorenz Sway Bar Drop Blocks, Bilstein Front Shocks, 285/75-R17 Toyo MTs. Mostly Stock (For right now)

11-03-2009, 05:05 PM	#8 (permalink)
*2500MegaDiesel* Cummins Enthusiast Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Isle of Kent Maryland Posts: 222 Thanks: 19 Thanked 19 Times in 12 Posts 2500MegaDiesel's Truck Pics	And another deal on an XRT FS: XRT $600 shipped __________________ 2007 2500 Mega Cab 6.7L Auto 2 WD Exhaust Brake, Edge Juice with Attitude, MHP/B&G TCM Mod Tune, Nitto Terra Grappler 285 70 17, AFE Stage 2 Pro Dry, Fixed the DPF and NOX which work much better now, Coming soon, Shibby Stage one intake install with EGR fix and EWG too, XRT on 60, Smarty here, A wealth of stealth. Have my house for sale digphoto.net/home

11-03-2009, 05:12 PM	#9 (permalink)
Alabama Mud Machine Diesel Head Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Montgomery, Alabama Posts: 3,354 Thanks: 125 Thanked 106 Times in 88 Posts Alabama Mud Machine's Truck Pics	Wonder why there are more XRT being sold than Smarties................. I'm just messin with yall. Nobody get sand in their vag. __________________ 2007.5 RAM 2500 4x4, 6.7L / 68RFE - 6" Fabtech, 38" Mud-Grapplers, 20" Helo's, N-Fab steps, SMARTY, 5" TBE, AFE Mega-Cannon, Isspro EV2's, BOD Intake Horn. Rollin Smoke Diesel - www.rollinsmokediesel.com

11-03-2009, 05:24 PM	#11 (permalink)
Alabama Mud Machine Diesel Head Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Montgomery, Alabama Posts: 3,354 Thanks: 125 Thanked 106 Times in 88 Posts Alabama Mud Machine's Truck Pics	I know that....I was being a smart azz. Thanks for pointing that out though. __________________ 2007.5 RAM 2500 4x4, 6.7L / 68RFE - 6" Fabtech, 38" Mud-Grapplers, 20" Helo's, N-Fab steps, SMARTY, 5" TBE, AFE Mega-Cannon, Isspro EV2's, BOD Intake Horn. Rollin Smoke Diesel - www.rollinsmokediesel.com

11-03-2009, 05:33 PM	#12 (permalink)
ban89 Diesel Head Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Irvine, CA Posts: 1,226 Thanks: 0 Thanked 41 Times in 40 Posts ban89's Truck Pics	I know I just love being an A$$ and pointing it out. I wouldnt mind giving the Smarty a try but the XRT works so well on my truck I dont want to jinx it. __________________ 2007.5 w/ 6.7l, auto, XRT 175hp, Suspended by Carli Bilstein 2.65'' and some Carli extras Class 7 Prerunner 520HP Ford, equal length i-beams/3 link w/ King Coilovers/Bypasses/bumps Last edited by ban89 : 11-03-2009 at 05:38 PM.