Seat - Page 2

KAS · 09-09-2008, 08:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cntryby

Does this mean I should do a write up with pics?

By the way, I don't know if I've mentioned anywhere on here or not, but I started doing upholstory work over 20 years ago...."Jimmy Rigged"...arrrgghhhhh

Just kid'n, in the past that would'a pissed me off but for some reason it doesn't now...I must be get'n old.

Oh, by no means am I saying you performed a hack-job by repairing your seat.

What I'm driving at is, a vehicle that costs this much shouldn't need ANYTHING. My Dodge is the first new vehicle I've ever owned (last truck was an '88 Ford), and its a bummer that there is something as big as this seat issue on a new truck.

So anyway, I didn't realize it was so easy to pull the cover off until I read your post. So I pulled up the cover on my seat to day, to have a look.

Here is what I found:

Wow. Just wow. I think I'm going to show this to the dealer and see if they'll replace my seat under warranty. Sure it will just happen again eventually, but at least they'll see what a POS design it is.

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2007 2500 4x4 Big Horn
Quad cab / long bed
5.9L / 48RE

Riddler6.7 · 09-09-2008, 09:46 PM

oh my gosh, thats ridiculous

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6.7CTD, 68RE, Inferno Red, Big Horn
and i aint tellin the rest

cntryby · 09-09-2008, 11:07 PM

beleive it or not, but I can fix that...better than new.:thumbsup

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08 Mega 4X4 3500 6.7L, D-badged, line-x, Amp research power steps & Bed step, husky mud flaps, prodigy brake controller, window vent visors, front window tinting...it's started

cntryby · 11-05-2008, 12:50 PM

finaly got a round to it...

The frames of theses seats have a boxed frame that joins on the top of the frame and leaves an exposed sheet metal edge. This edge in addition to the sliding motion getting in and out of the trucks is tearing our foam.

Seat frame; notice the metal edge, but also notice the wires held by springs, more of that later.

The weld at the very back had some burrs, they may have started the tearing of the foam. I took a ball peen hammer, rolled the edge of the metal down, and then filed the burrs and any protrusion I thought might tear the foam.

Before reinstalling the foam, I glued some burlap over the frame. (Sorry no pic of that.)

For the wires with the springs, this is where the pad needs to go, directly on these springs. The springs are what provide the cushion when hitting bumps and stuff. The foam design intends to distribute the weight with out fatiguing your butt. (I don’t think they quite got that part down yet.)

I used 2 inches of foam, 1 inch of 20 lb & 1 inch of 40 lb. I also place a piece of vinyl between the foam and the springs to prevent the springs / wire from tearing the foam. 20lb goes on top, it's softer.

Pic just shows where it goes, doesn’t include all the layers. I’d get busy and forget to take pics.

All the tears I’ve seen, start along the bottom or the back corner, just like mine. I also noticed mine had a big air pocket where the mold wasn’t filled correctly. That’s exactly where the tear started.

I filled all the torn gaps with glue, (Weldwood landau top adhesive.) and pressed it back together. Then I glued several layers of thin burlap to the foam.

The center of the seat will rise with the pad added between the frame and factory foam, while the sides stay the same height, this takes the pressure off the hips & or butt.

The edges at the frame are fairly thin because the factory cushion is molded to fit around the frame. To help offset these deficiencies, I added a ½ inch of foam to the outer and back panels.

Pulled all back together, the seat has a slight “poofy” look, but it’s a heck of a lot more comfortable, and should last much longer too.

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08 Mega 4X4 3500 6.7L, D-badged, line-x, Amp research power steps & Bed step, husky mud flaps, prodigy brake controller, window vent visors, front window tinting...it's started

Last edited by cntryby : 05-19-2009 at 03:32 PM.

Rockwerx · 11-05-2008, 02:13 PM

I like your seat modifications. Thank you for the write up. Do you think that one can modify the leather seats in a similar fashion? Do you have heated seats?

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Most wanted mods: WCC Intake,Twins

cntryby · 11-05-2008, 02:27 PM

Ya, leather would work fine. Heated seats would be OK too, you'd just have to make sure the wiring was long enough, but that shouldn't be a problem.

The dissassembly will probably be more envolved. But it would be a little easier to work on out of the truck. (I did mine in the truck.)

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08 Mega 4X4 3500 6.7L, D-badged, line-x, Amp research power steps & Bed step, husky mud flaps, prodigy brake controller, window vent visors, front window tinting...it's started

KAS · 11-05-2008, 06:46 PM

Very nice. Thanks!

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2007 2500 4x4 Big Horn
Quad cab / long bed
5.9L / 48RE

**IC-Smoke** · 11-05-2008, 07:57 PM

subscribe!!! feels like mine is doing the same

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***ryans01*** · 11-05-2008, 08:10 PM

isn't it nice how the best diesel is wrapped around one of the biggest pieces of junk bodies...or is it just me...

why is it that my 81', 84', and 97' chevy had much better seats in them??? now only if i had a cummins in them i wouldn't have sold any of them.....

oh well...i'll build my "perfect" truck sometime this or the next lifetime...

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Ryan S.

"The BDR Edition" 2001 4 X 4, 3500, 2nd NV4500, II SO VP, SBC DD 3600 12CB w/ input shaft AND Valair HD HYDRO'S, TSTPM3, Edge EZ, AFE, FASS HPFP, 5" turnout stacks, gauges 319.9/776.8 4/25/09 DUNBAR'S DYNO

Rockwerx · 11-05-2008, 08:52 PM

Thanks for the extra info cntryby! I might try this myself one day.

Ryans01^ My 81 Chevy 4x4 has some solid seats...solid like an old milk crate! They are tough and have lasted very well through a lot of abuse over the years. lol I did like the bucket seats from our 96 Tahoe though. The ones in my new truck could be a little bit softer...I doubt that they will get any better from age and will have to be modified like in this thread.

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2008 3500 Laramie QC 4x4 LB DRW 6.7 CTD Auto LSD 3.73 EJA EPP 5" TBE AFE CAI Shibby-EGR 3.5" BOOST TUBE AirDog 150 H&S RWX
Most wanted mods: WCC Intake,Twins

***ryans01*** · 11-05-2008, 09:01 PM

dang..mine were nice and soft....on all 3...i had a bench in my 97'...i miss bench seats...

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Ryan S.

"The BDR Edition" 2001 4 X 4, 3500, 2nd NV4500, II SO VP, SBC DD 3600 12CB w/ input shaft AND Valair HD HYDRO'S, TSTPM3, Edge EZ, AFE, FASS HPFP, 5" turnout stacks, gauges 319.9/776.8 4/25/09 DUNBAR'S DYNO

titan0454 · 02-23-2009, 05:00 PM

I installed 1 1/2" foam with carpet under it on springs. Turned out great! I was even nice enough to do the back seats in my mega cab for my passengers. World of difference! Also took off covers while i was there and threw in washer then hung dry. Re-installed turned out great.

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cntryby Cummins Nut Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: South West Ga Posts: 441 Thanks: 1 Thanked 8 Times in 8 Posts cntryby's Truck Pics	finaly got a round to it... The frames of theses seats have a boxed frame that joins on the top of the frame and leaves an exposed sheet metal edge. This edge in addition to the sliding motion getting in and out of the trucks is tearing our foam. Seat frame; notice the metal edge, but also notice the wires held by springs, more of that later. The weld at the very back had some burrs, they may have started the tearing of the foam. I took a ball peen hammer, rolled the edge of the metal down, and then filed the burrs and any protrusion I thought might tear the foam. Before reinstalling the foam, I glued some burlap over the frame. (Sorry no pic of that.) For the wires with the springs, this is where the pad needs to go, directly on these springs. The springs are what provide the cushion when hitting bumps and stuff. The foam design intends to distribute the weight with out fatiguing your butt. (I don’t think they quite got that part down yet.) I used 2 inches of foam, 1 inch of 20 lb & 1 inch of 40 lb. I also place a piece of vinyl between the foam and the springs to prevent the springs / wire from tearing the foam. 20lb goes on top, it's softer. Pic just shows where it goes, doesn’t include all the layers. I’d get busy and forget to take pics. All the tears I’ve seen, start along the bottom or the back corner, just like mine. I also noticed mine had a big air pocket where the mold wasn’t filled correctly. That’s exactly where the tear started. I filled all the torn gaps with glue, (Weldwood landau top adhesive.) and pressed it back together. Then I glued several layers of thin burlap to the foam. The center of the seat will rise with the pad added between the frame and factory foam, while the sides stay the same height, this takes the pressure off the hips & or butt. The edges at the frame are fairly thin because the factory cushion is molded to fit around the frame. To help offset these deficiencies, I added a ½ inch of foam to the outer and back panels. Pulled all back together, the seat has a slight “poofy” look, but it’s a heck of a lot more comfortable, and should last much longer too. __________________ 08 Mega 4X4 3500 6.7L, D-badged, line-x, Amp research power steps & Bed step, husky mud flaps, prodigy brake controller, window vent visors, front window tinting...it's started Last edited by cntryby : 05-19-2009 at 03:32 PM.

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