F-650 with cummins

deadpool · 10-23-2009, 09:47 AM

does any one know the differences between the 6.7cummins offered in the ford f-650 and the dodge ram?

Shibbyutman · 10-23-2009, 09:58 AM

Bigger turbo

. It runs the 431VE as opposed to the 351VE on our trucks. They have a way different fuel map in them as well, I think they only make something like 260 HP but 620 ft/lbs of torque. I've been wondering if the manifold off that truck will bolt up to ours without any engine compartment clearance issues. I do know the controllers communicate on the 431 when you plug it into a dodge.

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, FASS 150/150, and big line kit.

Last edited by Shibbyutman : 10-23-2009 at 10:15 AM. Reason: Corrected Numbers

deadpool · 10-23-2009, 10:09 AM

i think they make 325hp and 750tq? i wonder the price range for an f650, more towing capacity, beefier susp for a cheaper price than a well equiped 5500?? do these trucks have the egr crap and dpf?

Shibbyutman · 10-23-2009, 10:12 AM

Yeah sorry, wrong HP numbers there, you're closer. I think they have a similar combo NOC/CAT/DPF unit that the C&C trucks get.

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, FASS 150/150, and big line kit.

Last edited by Shibbyutman : 10-23-2009 at 10:16 AM.

Tom Diesel · 10-23-2009, 10:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shibbyutman

425 ft/lbs of torque.

Impressive!!!

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Shibbyutman · 10-23-2009, 10:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tom Diesel

Impressive!!!

yeah, sorry, typo, lookin at the wrong truck how about this 260 and 620

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2003 Dodge Ram 2500 4X4, PDR Cobra Stage 2 Twins, BD Power 90's, Studs, Springs, Autometers, Dual 7" Black Stacks/rain caps, Banks intercooler, Goerend Full Built Trans, Smarty set to Kill, MP-8, Full DIY CP3 Mod, Rail capped

, FASS 150/150, and big line kit.

deadpool · 10-23-2009, 10:25 AM

thats a 750 though , strange im seeing all kinds of different power numbers i wondor how much that thing can legally tow?

Shibbyutman · 10-23-2009, 10:30 AM

https://www.fleet.ford.com/showroom/...specs.asp?EV=0

F650 base is only 200 and 520, LOL. Impressive! as Tom put it. My truck in 03 made better numbers than that, I think even the SO motor did.

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2003 Dodge Ram 2500 4X4, PDR Cobra Stage 2 Twins, BD Power 90's, Studs, Springs, Autometers, Dual 7" Black Stacks/rain caps, Banks intercooler, Goerend Full Built Trans, Smarty set to Kill, MP-8, Full DIY CP3 Mod, Rail capped

, FASS 150/150, and big line kit.

deadpool · 10-23-2009, 10:39 AM

Ford F650 Hauler Cummins - Aquasun Motorsports

i found a link theres an apparent difference between the 07 and 08+ power output

Tom Diesel · 10-23-2009, 10:40 AM

So whats the deal with the bigger turbo if it's a lower output engine?

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deadpool · 10-23-2009, 10:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shibbyutman

https://www.fleet.ford.com/showroom/...specs.asp?EV=0

F650 base is only 200 and 520, LOL. Impressive! as Tom put it. My truck in 03 made better numbers than that, I think even the SO motor did.

i guess ur refering to the isb260 the isb325 gives out 325-750... 26000 towing capacity?? i wonder if this is cheaper or same price as a ram 5500

Shibbyutman · 10-23-2009, 10:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tom Diesel

So whats the deal with the bigger turbo if it's a lower output engine?

It's all in the fuel map and efficiency range. The 431 will spool a lot quicker at lower RPM which the ford models are tuned for. It has the capability for a higher mass rate because the impeller geometry is different as well. The inducer is pretty close to the same size but I think the exducer is larger.

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2003 Dodge Ram 2500 4X4, PDR Cobra Stage 2 Twins, BD Power 90's, Studs, Springs, Autometers, Dual 7" Black Stacks/rain caps, Banks intercooler, Goerend Full Built Trans, Smarty set to Kill, MP-8, Full DIY CP3 Mod, Rail capped

, FASS 150/150, and big line kit.

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10-23-2009, 09:58 AM	#2 (permalink)
Shibbyutman Diesel Head Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Superior Township, Michigan Posts: 4,118 Thanks: 0 Thanked 170 Times in 120 Posts Shibbyutman's Truck Pics	Bigger turbo . It runs the 431VE as opposed to the 351VE on our trucks. They have a way different fuel map in them as well, I think they only make something like 260 HP but 620 ft/lbs of torque. I've been wondering if the manifold off that truck will bolt up to ours without any engine compartment clearance issues. I do know the controllers communicate on the 431 when you plug it into a dodge. __________________ 2003 Dodge Ram 2500 4X4, PDR Cobra Stage 2 Twins, BD Power 90's, Studs, Springs, Autometers, Dual 7" Black Stacks/rain caps, Banks intercooler, Goerend Full Built Trans, Smarty set to Kill, MP-8, Full DIY CP3 Mod, Rail capped , FASS 150/150, and big line kit. Last edited by Shibbyutman : 10-23-2009 at 10:15 AM. Reason: Corrected Numbers

10-23-2009, 10:09 AM	#3 (permalink)
deadpool Newbie Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 15 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts deadpool's Truck Pics	i think they make 325hp and 750tq? i wonder the price range for an f650, more towing capacity, beefier susp for a cheaper price than a well equiped 5500?? do these trucks have the egr crap and dpf?

10-23-2009, 10:12 AM	#4 (permalink)
Shibbyutman Diesel Head Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Superior Township, Michigan Posts: 4,118 Thanks: 0 Thanked 170 Times in 120 Posts Shibbyutman's Truck Pics	Yeah sorry, wrong HP numbers there, you're closer. I think they have a similar combo NOC/CAT/DPF unit that the C&C trucks get. __________________ 2003 Dodge Ram 2500 4X4, PDR Cobra Stage 2 Twins, BD Power 90's, Studs, Springs, Autometers, Dual 7" Black Stacks/rain caps, Banks intercooler, Goerend Full Built Trans, Smarty set to Kill, MP-8, Full DIY CP3 Mod, Rail capped , FASS 150/150, and big line kit. Last edited by Shibbyutman : 10-23-2009 at 10:16 AM.

10-23-2009, 10:25 AM	#7 (permalink)
deadpool Newbie Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 15 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts deadpool's Truck Pics	thats a 750 though , strange im seeing all kinds of different power numbers i wondor how much that thing can legally tow?

10-23-2009, 10:30 AM	#8 (permalink)
Shibbyutman Diesel Head Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Superior Township, Michigan Posts: 4,118 Thanks: 0 Thanked 170 Times in 120 Posts Shibbyutman's Truck Pics	https://www.fleet.ford.com/showroom/...specs.asp?EV=0 F650 base is only 200 and 520, LOL. Impressive! as Tom put it. My truck in 03 made better numbers than that, I think even the SO motor did. __________________ 2003 Dodge Ram 2500 4X4, PDR Cobra Stage 2 Twins, BD Power 90's, Studs, Springs, Autometers, Dual 7" Black Stacks/rain caps, Banks intercooler, Goerend Full Built Trans, Smarty set to Kill, MP-8, Full DIY CP3 Mod, Rail capped , FASS 150/150, and big line kit.

10-23-2009, 10:39 AM	#9 (permalink)
deadpool Newbie Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 15 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts deadpool's Truck Pics	Ford F650 Hauler Cummins - Aquasun Motorsports i found a link theres an apparent difference between the 07 and 08+ power output

10-23-2009, 10:40 AM	#10 (permalink)
Tom Diesel Diesel Freak Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Montgomery, AL Posts: 521 Thanks: 8 Thanked 21 Times in 18 Posts Tom Diesel's Truck Pics	So whats the deal with the bigger turbo if it's a lower output engine? __________________ 07 6.7l 2500 Mega 4X4 auto, 3.73, EAGLE 114 CHROME, 305/55/20 Nitto A/T, De-badged, SMARTY, Volant PowerCore, 5" Magna Flow TBE, V-TEC