DPF Delete Laws???

[Dodgezilla]

The simplest way to explain this is that to be emissions compliant, the truck has to have all of the original emissions equipment intact and functional.

While I would love to pull all this garbage off my truck and not have to deal with the issues it creates, if you live in a state where emissions testing is required then the only way to be "Emissions compliant" is to have it all on the truck. Here in Va I will have to get tested in the next couple of years unless I raise the GVW of my truck to over 7500lb. The higher GVW exempts you from needing to be emissions tested. The drawback to that is that my property tax will double each year and I, of course, would have to shell out the $$$ for the delete kits and associated aftermarket products required to make it all work with no issues.
I am looking hard at these kits and once they are truly "CODE FREE" I may still risk it just because this is an awesome truck other than everytime I start it I wait for the CEL to come on........

If you live somewhere that emissions testing is not required then I don't see why you would not do these conversions once they have the code-free kits perfected....

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[Polaraco]

Demon

You can go to straight pipes, but the Cat has to stay. THAT is a federal offense to remove

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[Polaraco]

Originally Posted by Dodgezilla

While I would love to pull all this garbage off my truck and not have to deal with the issues it creates, if you live in a state where emissions testing is required then the only way to be "Emissions compliant" is to have it all on the truck. Here in Va I will have to get tested in the next couple of years unless I raise the GVW of my truck to over 7500lb. The higher GVW exempts you from needing to be emissions tested. The drawback to that is that my property tax will double each year and I, of course, would have to shell out the $$$ for the delete kits and associated aftermarket products required to make it all work with no issues.
I am looking hard at these kits and once they are truly "CODE FREE" I may still risk it just because this is an awesome truck other than everytime I start it I wait for the CEL to come on........

If you live somewhere that emissions testing is not required then I don't see why you would not do these conversions once they have the code-free kits perfected....

Virginia. . .Lovely State. Home of many liberal Politicians.

That explains why you have those laws right there. The Washington Wanna Bee's are running the state.

As of now, New Jersey does not have a emmissions test for Diesel Vehicles prior to 2010. Cats are visual. Those idiots in Trenton are so ignorant, I doubt they ever will.

This whole thing is out of control. It's the minority demanding it and they win every time. Washington just spoils them and gives them what they want to shut them up.

I am sorry to say colleges are teaching the wrong stuff these days. When I got my degree, 40 years ago, we didn't know what a ralleye was, or have Frats all over the place. What was a liberal back then? Teachers made sure you learned. I am afraid I am obsolete. Sigh

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Last edited by Polaraco : 08-15-2008 at 07:31 AM.

[Wiley75]

Originally Posted by Polaraco

Virginia. . .Lovely State. Home of many liberal Politicians.

That explains why you have those laws right there. The Washington Wanna Bee's are running the state.

As of now, New Jersey does not have a emmissions test for Diesel Vehicles prior to 2010. Cats are visual. Those idiots in Trenton are so ignorant, I doubt they ever will.

This whole thing is out of control. It's the minority demanding it and they win every time. Washington just spoils them and gives them what they want to shut them up.

I am sorry to say colleges are teaching the wrong stuff these days. When I got my degree, 40 years ago, we didn't know what a ralleye was, or have Frats all over the place. What was a liberal back then? Teachers made sure you learned. I am afraid I am obsolete. Sigh

That has got to be the dumbest post you've made yet. First of all, the laws are Federal set forth by the US EPA not by the so called Liberals in Virginia or wherever. Last I checked, the president of the USA is a Republican and has been for about 8 years, so there goes your theory. Second of all, I personally don't give a sh*t about your political opinion or otherwise. This is a Cummins Forum, not a preacher's pulpit for your to stand on. Third of all, yes you are obsolete. You showed that when you posted a link to the 1999 EPA emissions data and suggested that it was current information.

I don't want the stupid DPF on my truck anymore than you do. And believe me, the manufacturers such as Cummins, Dodge, CAT, Ford, etc all despise it as well. But we all like to breathe, and the laws are the laws and we all have to live by them. CAT has actually announced they are quitting the on-highway truck engine business after 40 years! Hmm. What do you think was a driving factor in that decision? The DPF/Nox Absorber (or "CAT" as you incorrectly call it) is the best technology available to date, so it's what we get to work with. If you can't handle it, buy a Hemi for crying out loud.

By the way, If you don't think emissions technology has cleaned up our air go to China sometime and take a deep breath. You'll see what I mean. Did you know that a 1989 350 HP Truck Engine produced 1000 times more harmful emissions than a 1999 Truck Engine??

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[Polaraco]

Pull the Burr out of your butt.

You are entitled to your opinions, but the next time you can be a bit more diplomatic about it.

And by the way, there are Republican Liberals also. Or maybe you aren't as aware as you think you are.

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Last edited by Polaraco : 08-15-2008 at 03:30 PM.

[Donn]

OK, emissions no emissions that is a political hot potato right now. Who has run the country for the last 18 months? Certainally not the President. How about Nancy Pelosi and the rest of the congressional dummies! In the last 18 months since Congress was hijacked by the special interest groups in D.C. you have seen fuel prices double, food prices out of site and no end in site. Get off the political kick and stick to the point!
And while your at it, please explain to me and my simple mind how using more fuel is making the enviroment cleaner????

[mileshuff]

Originally Posted by Wiley75

First of all, the laws are Federal set forth by the US EPA not by the so called Liberals in Virginia or wherever.

BULL. While the EPA does set manufacturing rules it's up to the states on how to enforce it or not. There are several methods used by various states and many states with no testing at all. So yes, politicians in Virginia most certainly did decide what emissions testing to use in that state.

Yes, we all like to breathe. However, the Dodge method is absurd. Now we have to have periodic cleaning of the turbos, heater grids, EGR system and more. That involves cleaning agents that most likely are not very enviromentally friendly. Along with that we're using more fuel as a result. I like to breathe but this method isn't going to help and may do more harm than good. But hey, it gets the votes and thats what politicians are after.

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[Polaraco]

OK OK

The whole point of this thread is to discuss the feasibility or removing the DPF and EGR legally until 2010. Not trash one another. That's not what this forum is all about.

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[pokechop]

A 5.9 would get 22mpg while a 6.7 with the earth saving emissions bundle gets 15mpg. How can that be enviromentally helpful? If I lose 200 miles per tankful then it will make more oil drilling required, more tankers on the road to deliver the fuel, more everything. I don't think they have found the correct balance yet.

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[cumminz]

Don't bet on it!!!