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Gutting DPF/NOX sensor question

I have searched over this forum and there is some good info here but not the specific answer to my question(s).

I have a dpf and nox laying around that I gutted. I am leaving the stock downpipe as is. My question is, if I install the gutted pipes with no tuner, how long will I make it before going into limp mode? Can this be avoided with running only a pressure Sim? I will eventually get a tuner as soon as one shows up local for the right price, but I have the time to do this now and want to make sure Im not going to be limping around. I realize i will have a CEL by not running egt sims, but im ok with that for now. Can I just plug the egt sensors in as normal or will that make it go into limp mode too?

Also a side egr question. Were there issues with people disabling the egr by removing the servo on trucks with the HO motor or is simply unplugging it fine?

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Why not buy a set of 4 sims for $60 and not worry about it?

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Im fine with that too. Who has the best sims? Is there also an option for the pressure sim or does that have to be the home made setup?

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No need to bother with the DPF pressure sensor. Leave it connected and just remove the two pressure tubes. Leave them unplugged. See the SIMS link in my SIG below for more information on SIMS. Good luck!

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Ok I read that over, looks easy enough. So the sims are just for the egts and O2? And there are no issues leaving the pressure tubes open to the ambient air with the plug still connected?

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You didn't read the post.

It goes step by step on what you need. This answers your questions automatically.

You must move the O2 sensors over. There are no SIMS for those.

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You didn't read the post.

It goes step by step on what you need. This answers your questions automatically.

You must move the O2 sensors over. There are no SIMS for those.

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Haha, no I did. I'm a Marine so I require everything to be Barney style. I'm also a pilot so I like checklists/redundancy.

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I deleted with a hollowed out DPF and NOX running a Smarty. As of now I have everything still plugged in except the rear O2 (couldn't find a quick O2 spare or plug). No codes, no problems so far! I figure the pressure sensor doesn't care if it's open to atmosphere or open to the exhaust. At least this way the elements stay on the outside.

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I deleted with a hollowed out DPF and NOX running a Smarty. As of now I have everything still plugged in except the rear O2 (couldn't find a quick O2 spare or plug). No codes, no problems so far! I figure the pressure sensor doesn't care if it's open to atmosphere or open to the exhaust. At least this way the elements stay on the outside.
I see, what confuses me a bit is that I thought the pressure sensor was inplace to read the pressure inside the DPF, if it gets to a certin level (high pressure) then this is a reason for the system to regen. So I gather that the comparatively low ambient pressure of the atmosphere whould allow this sensor to never signal for a regen with the tubes removed from the sensor...

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I see, what confuses me a bit is that I thought the pressure sensor was inplace to read the pressure inside the DPF, if it gets to a certin level (high pressure) then this is a reason for the system to regen. So I gather that the comparatively low ambient pressure of the atmosphere whould allow this sensor to never signal for a regen with the tubes removed from the sensor...
The pressure sensor checks for DIFFERENCES between the two tubes. Leaving them open the atmosphere tells the ECM everything is fine and not to do a regen. Doing anything creative with them only leads to hassles.

The 4 sims go in the 4 temp plugs and you really need to move the two O2 sensors over / keep them in place with their two 6 pin plugs plugged in.

And that's it.

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I would love to know if anyone shares the same thoughts as me and the possibility of a turbulent exhaust with a gutted filter. Anyone wonder the same thing possibly causing a decrease In power?

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I would love to know if anyone shares the same thoughts as me and the possibility of a turbulent exhaust with a gutted filter. Anyone wonder the same thing possibly causing a decrease In power?
Well, it's certainly not "tuned." I'd much rather see someone drop $220 for a 835 complete delete & downpipe kit with bungs rather than trash their expensive exhaust components. $220 do it right (like the "how-to" in my sig) and no fuss, no muss. Save the old junk for what the future holds so you can go back. You can always get a tuner down the road.

I just don't get it. Sorry for the rant.

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