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Lightbulb To Delete or NOT to delete -- My thoughts

This has come up regularly. It's a very fair question. There are a lot of factors to consider.

For me, it was best to list pros and cons TO ME (I'm sure there are others):

Pros:

1) Better performance & power
2) Better reliability without the DPF, etc...
3) Better MPG
4) Better longevity
5) You can tweak the exhaust tone

Negatives:

1) Cost of exhaust system and tuner
2) Warranty issues at the dealer where coverage on major parts might be jeopardized
3) The truck is illegal (just a fact if the feds / law matters to you philosophically)
4) Question whether EGR cooler is safe to leave if you disable it via Mini Maxx (I left mine and am not worried) -- i.e. will it crack or something?
5) Emissions testing if they do that in your state OR if they choose to do it in the future
6) Resale -- What to do? If you are going to trade it, are you going to restore it? Can you in good conscience sell it to a 3rd party yourself knowing it's illegal even if you divulge it?
7) Manufacturer feature updates via flashes -- you can't get them. H & S uses a base code for their custom downloads that go to the ECM. Are you prepared to give up the updates from RAM?

FOR ME the pros outweighed the cons. I decided that I'd gamble in favor of the driveline. I baby the truck and mainly have the deletes for efficiency and simplicity. No regenerations, no sensor issues, no crap to deal with and much better mpg. I have a nice exhaust tone. I have the overdrive software (you can get that without deleting of course), I really like the performance.

I am 3 years into it -- my driveline only has 2 more years of warranty anyway. So my gamble is 2 years away from paying off. I've kept all my parts and left the cooler in place. So if I need to go back to stock, it's just a several hour job to get it back to stock.

I'm sure for every person like me there is one who has a similar list but comes up with the decision to stay stock. Heck -- I'm sure there are people who did one or the other and don't even agree with the list on the other side of the ledger at all! They're either "All In or All Out."

But the POINT is to get it all down in writing -- so a newbie can see it and think about it and decide what's best for them.

I hope this helps! If any newbies want to have a look at this it might help.

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chrisminx -- You and I seem to agree on most things from what I've seen on the forum. The point of this isn't to debate. Everyone has to do what works for them. This was my process. Whether you and I agree on these is moot. Please don't pick at the spirit of this post -- it's just for people who are considering deleting to think.

12_cummins -- I did my deletes within 3 months. I first bought the Mini Maxx and used the DPF present tunes (i.e. "Street" tunes in today's lingo) and wasn't satisfied. I couldn't stand the regens and the fact that fuel was being shot into the exhaust to make the EPA happy. It seemed like the tail wagging the dog. So I made a calculated decision (not without fear, I might add) and deleted.


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#5 on the Pro side doesn't really do much of anything..adjusting the tone of the exhaust? Don't really see how that is a pro...in the long run it'll depend on if a person wants to gamble with voiding their warranty during the first 3 yrs/ or 36,000 miles. To some warranty isn't important, to others, like myself, it is important. As also stated, it would take much more study to prove out #2 and #4 for that matter, it's certainly not something that one could "etch in stone" and go from "the theory of" to "the law of"..

another negative that is rarely mentioned, but can easily be seen is when one runs into problems because they did a tune or delete, all kinds of examples on this on this forum. I know that there are also pros and I also know some who have done deletes and/or put tunes on their truck haven't had the first problem, but having been on the forums, it's more of a gamble, which to me is a negative of putting a tuner on the truck or doing the deletes while the truck is still under warranty. It is what it is...if under warranty and something goes wrong, there is a much better of a chance of it getting fixed under warranty, no questions asked..if on the other hand there are issues with the truck after deletes and tune added, it's a crap shoot as to what will happen next...I've read it on this forum and thedieselplace forum when I owned all my chevy D/A's.

Me, I'll keep it stock and see what happens, knowing I have warranty and will be taken care of, I may gamble "after the fact", but not before, to me, and maybe to me only, it's just not worth the chance on a brand new truck..
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I just wanted to lay out there the pros and cons to me so a newbie can do their own list and decide! I think either decision is 100% valid!!!


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chrisminx -- You and I seem to agree on most things from what I've seen on the forum. The point of this isn't to debate. Everyone has to do what works for them. This was my process. Whether you and I agree on these is moot. Please don't pick at the spirit of this post -- it's just for people who are considering deleting to think.

12_cummins -- I did my deletes within 3 months. I first bought the Mini Maxx and used the DPF present tunes (i.e. "Street" tunes in today's lingo) and wasn't satisfied. I couldn't stand the regens and the fact that fuel was being shot into the exhaust to make the EPA happy. It seemed like the tail wagging the dog. So I made a calculated decision (not without fear, I might add) and deleted.
You gave your opinion and then tell someone to not "pick at the spirit of the post"???? Most that do Editorials expect to get feed back, agreeing and disagreeing, it's part of the Free Speech process...

Some, like you will make a calculated decision and not delete..they need to hear from the pro delete people, as yourself and from those of us who won't delete, and hear our reasons and make an educated decision just as you did and just as I did...\

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Thanks...I'm a newbie and it helps to see it in writing.
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That's ALL I WAS TRYING TO DO. Good luck EITHER WAY!!
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Booo Hisss!!! You all suck. This isn't meant to be a debate.
Guess you don't understand your own deeming of this thread as an editorial. If everyone would have agreed or not posted at all, guess your would have been happier?

Read an OP-Ed page and tell me the feed back results...should have titled it,

"Why I deleted", my idea of the pros and cons and I don't care what anyone else thinks...that would have been better.

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Yo, a West Virginian, just like me....just do the research, the rest is up to you....think, then act...
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You gave your opinion and then tell someone to not "pick at the spirit of the post"???? Most that do Editorials expect to get feed back, agreeing and disagreeing, it's part of the Free Speech process...

Some, like you will make a calculated decision and not delete..they need to hear from the pro delete people, as yourself and from those of us who won't delete, and hear our reasons and make an educated decision just as you did and just as I did...\
NC Hauler -- From your posts on the forum I have to say I agree with you 100% of the time!!! On this issue I listed with more verbosity the negatives than the positives. In your immediate response you didn't add any new negatives than what I posted. I understand your feelings and their valid. But I wanted to just put something up there in black and white so people can think about it. Of course you have a right to speak your opinion -- My hope was to get the basics laid down there in black and white. The conclusion (to delete or not to) is secondary!


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