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post #133 of 137 (permalink) Old 08-02-2013, 02:46 PM
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This has come up regularly. It's a very fair question. There are a lot of factors to consider.

For me, it was best to list pros and cons TO ME (I'm sure there are others):

Pros:

1) Better performance & power
2) Better reliability without the DPF, etc...
3) Better MPG
4) Better longevity
5) You can tweak the exhaust tone

Negatives:

1) Cost of exhaust system and tuner
2) Warranty issues at the dealer where coverage on major parts might be jeopardized
3) The truck is illegal (just a fact if the feds / law matters to you philosophically)
4) Question whether EGR cooler is safe to leave if you disable it via Mini Maxx (I left mine and am not worried) -- i.e. will it crack or something?
5) Emissions testing if they do that in your state OR if they choose to do it in the future
6) Resale -- What to do? If you are going to trade it, are you going to restore it? Can you in good conscience sell it to a 3rd party yourself knowing it's illegal even if you divulge it?
7) Manufacturer feature updates via flashes -- you can't get them. H & S uses a base code for their custom downloads that go to the ECM. Are you prepared to give up the updates from RAM?

FOR ME the pros outweighed the cons. I decided that I'd gamble in favor of the driveline. I baby the truck and mainly have the deletes for efficiency and simplicity. No regenerations, no sensor issues, no crap to deal with and much better mpg. I have a nice exhaust tone. I have the overdrive software (you can get that without deleting of course), I really like the performance.

I am 3 years into it -- my driveline only has 2 more years of warranty anyway. So my gamble is 2 years away from paying off. I've kept all my parts and left the cooler in place. So if I need to go back to stock, it's just a several hour job to get it back to stock.

I'm sure for every person like me there is one who has a similar list but comes up with the decision to stay stock. Heck -- I'm sure there are people who did one or the other and don't even agree with the list on the other side of the ledger at all! They're either "All In or All Out."

But the POINT is to get it all down in writing -- so a newbie can see it and think about it and decide what's best for them.

I hope this helps! If any newbies want to have a look at this it might help.

-Guzzler
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post #134 of 137 (permalink) Old 08-02-2013, 03:04 PM Thread Starter
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Nah. This one's run it's course. No worries. If someone is really interested, they can read from the beginning.

Really for newbies or people coming off warranty who are considering deleting for the first time. No need to keep posting here.

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This thread can be quite useful if a spat war isn't started. (Not my intention by my first post in this thread.)

Having said that, and having (4) 6.7L trucks since they came out. Two were deleted, two were not. I chose to delete my first one after spending months at the dealership for emissions and computer issues. That truck I deleted with the whole nine yards: air intake, TBE, smarty and Egr/cooler deletes. Ran the smarty on the economy tune because the tow tune was too much for the clutch. I was constantly babying it because of fear of blowing the head gasket. Only plus side was I got 3-4 more mpg's.

After 77,000 miles, I traded it for a 2011 with the auto trans. I left it stock because I only had it for 16,000 miles before I traded it on my 2011 Laramie w/auto a few months before the HO trucks came out. Drove that one with just an xrt pro (no power tune) and delete pipe for a while, didn't see any improvement in mileage so I went back to stock.

A few months later, I got the delete bug again and got an excellent deal on a smarty sr. Ran it with just an egr delete and delete pipe. From day one I babied it because I was concerned about the head gasket and auto tranny on my only vehicle which cost me half what my house cost. I then spent money on gauges, head studs, and waste gate. Before I got to install the new fun parts, my dealer got in a few 2012 duallies with the G56. Really missed shifting my own gears so I bought it.

My current 2012 is completely stock and I plan on keeping it that way. I can drive it as hard as I want while towing anything I want and never have to worry about tearing something up from doing the mods just for a few more mpg's.

The jury is still out on the longevity and reliability on both stock and deleted engines. No one really knows if a deleted truck will outlast a stock truck. They simply have not been out long enough. Ram has come a long way since 2007 with fixing the earlier issues. My 2012 has not been in for any warranty work in the 15,000 miles I've put on it. I get in and drive it how it was intended, without having to worry about screwing anything up, all while still getting 13-15 mpg. The extra 2-3 isn't worth it to me.

What is funny to me is everyone says delete, delete, delete so it will run cleaner and last longer, yet when someone looks at a used one to buy, people warn against it because no one knows what the previous owner did to it. They say find an unmolested one.
bug got me 10,000 miles later .

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bug got me 10,000 miles later .
Funny how things change. It's human nature!

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IMO - I am cool either way, there are pros and cons to both sides of the debate / decision, its personal preference and situational deal for me. For me keeping it stock made more sense for my situation, the truck has all power I would ever want/need anyways, don’t get me wrong more added power is always cool but not what I really need and yes the added fuel economy is nice too. I do change my oil every 3 K though for the Regens, etc. to keep it all clean, plus if anything ever breaks on it, I don’t have to worry about any warranty issues. I am in and out of trucks so much it does not make real sense for me to drop all that cash, when in 3 years, I will probably just get a new truck again! I am at 26K now with my 11.5, 2 years of ownership and not one issue yet with the truck. Just throwin out what I think about this, your post is very useful though and helps people out with that tough decision, thanks again!

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