Installing additional fuel filters, GDP w/ Cat 2 Micron, and a Fuel/Water Sep....

***ah64id*** · 07-23-2008, 06:39 PM

I have been wanting more fuel filtration for a while now. I finally decided to go with a GDP kit underhood for the 2 micron filtration and will add a BF1212 fuel/water sep between the tank and the OE filter bowl soon.

I am using a mostly GDP MK-2 + Big Line kit. I opted not to use the supplied fleetguard, or fleetguard filter base. I wanted to use the Cat 2 Micron filter and already had a Baldwin Filter base. Otherwise the kit is GDP. I am very impressed with this kit, all the fittings and parts are top quality, not to mention they will certainly reduce restriction.

Here is the intake horn pre install.

Here is the GDP kit, with all my additions.

Here is the assembled filter base and mount.

The new fitting in the CP3

The new fitting in the Fuel Filter Bowl.

The mount on the intake horn.

And the final install...

I also changed the OE filter today. I am going to continue to use the Baldwin PF7977 in the OE location. It has excellent ratings for dirt and water removal.

In order to prime the new system and to clean out the rubber line I left the line disconnected from the CP3 and bump the starter and let the fuel pump run until fuel came out the hose. The OEM In-Tank lift pump may not have the most pressure.. but WOW it moves some volume. After this it started on the first crank.

I am just waiting on the local machine shop to cut me a piece of steel for my bracket to mount the BF1212, then it will go on. I am hoping to install in on Sunday. I will update with pics then.

So in the end I will have a 20 micron fuel/water sep rated for 90%+ free and emulsified water removal, a 5 micron OE fuel/water sep rated for 90%+ free and emulsified water removal, and a 2 micron fuel filter.

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Pricol's (EGT, Boost, DP, FP, Oil)
Amsoiled, BMK-11
GDP MK-2+ w/ Cat 2 mic
Smarty Jr Revo

rufushusky · 07-23-2008, 06:45 PM

Good call with the Cat filter, I love mine. Install looks great!:thumbsup

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***ah64id*** · 07-23-2008, 06:46 PM

Thanks, yeah after getting the run around with Baldwin I went back to my original plan.

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Pricol's (EGT, Boost, DP, FP, Oil)
Amsoiled, BMK-11
GDP MK-2+ w/ Cat 2 mic
Smarty Jr Revo

mikeshauling · 07-23-2008, 07:23 PM

just watchin !!

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DBLR · 07-24-2008, 10:14 AM

Looking good.

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***ah64id*** · 07-26-2008, 09:21 PM

I got some free time and got the Baldwin Fuel/Water sep on today.

I had a bracket made that bolted to the bottom of the back bolts for the front seat. I had to replace the OE bolts with ones that had more thread. I then bolted the Baldwin filter base to the bracket and ran the plumbing. I used 3/8 compression fittings on the OEM steel line. Everything went together real smooth. I did have to take the NPT fittings from the compression fitting to the push-lok apart and reseal with thread seal tape due to a small fuel leak. But all is well now.

and its tucked up neatly above the xcase skid plate and the frame.

And a closeup of the fittings.

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05 3500 QC LB NV5600 4X4 SRW
Pricol's (EGT, Boost, DP, FP, Oil)
Amsoiled, BMK-11
GDP MK-2+ w/ Cat 2 mic
Smarty Jr Revo

Last edited by ah64id : 07-26-2008 at 09:24 PM.

***ah64id*** · 11-13-2008, 06:31 PM

Update: All is going well. I have more than 6K, 200 hours, and 350 gallons thru the setup without a hitch... I am hoping to get a fuel psi gauge in the next few months, but we will see... I am going to plan on 20K change intervals until I get a gauge.

__________________

05 3500 QC LB NV5600 4X4 SRW
Pricol's (EGT, Boost, DP, FP, Oil)
Amsoiled, BMK-11
GDP MK-2+ w/ Cat 2 mic
Smarty Jr Revo

BZ2500 · 11-13-2008, 06:40 PM

Wow thats a nice set up..

So with your stock fuel pump it seems that you have no problems getting fuel to the engine through all the filters right...

Also how much does the cat filter cost you??

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***ah64id*** · 11-13-2008, 06:43 PM

I have not had any issues yet. My dad has a similar setup that was installed by a dodge dealership. They say there have been no issues on the 05+ with the in tank LP's.

The cat filter is $14.xx at the local cat shop.

I have done some dyno's before and after the filters. Even on SW#3 on my Smarty Jr there wasn't a noticiable difference in power. So I don't think I am fuel starving the engine. One thing that helps is the big line kit. It increases the flow from the OE canister to the CP3. According to GDP flow is better with the big line kit and filter and stock.

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05 3500 QC LB NV5600 4X4 SRW
Pricol's (EGT, Boost, DP, FP, Oil)
Amsoiled, BMK-11
GDP MK-2+ w/ Cat 2 mic
Smarty Jr Revo

BZ2500 · 11-13-2008, 06:59 PM

That sounds pretty good..

It sounds like you dont like fleetguard.. Or is the cat filter much better..

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***ah64id*** · 11-13-2008, 09:23 PM

The cat filter is a true 2 micron, the fleetguard is really a 5 micron... And for the f/w sep the baldwin and fleetguard are about the same and since its my first of 3 filters I used the cheaper one.

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05 3500 QC LB NV5600 4X4 SRW
Pricol's (EGT, Boost, DP, FP, Oil)
Amsoiled, BMK-11
GDP MK-2+ w/ Cat 2 mic
Smarty Jr Revo

bsmith · 11-13-2008, 10:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BZ2500

Wow thats a nice set up..

So with your stock fuel pump it seems that you have no problems getting fuel to the engine through all the filters right...

Also how much does the cat filter cost you??

my cummins dealer was cheaper than the Cat place for the cat filter.

i think i paid 13, cat place was like 19 or 21.

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07-23-2008, 06:39 PM	#1 (permalink)
*ah64id* Local Rotor Head.... Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Idaho Posts: 3,256 Thanks: 12 Thanked 51 Times in 42 Posts ah64id's Truck Pics	Installing additional fuel filters, GDP w/ Cat 2 Micron, and a Fuel/Water Sep.... I have been wanting more fuel filtration for a while now. I finally decided to go with a GDP kit underhood for the 2 micron filtration and will add a BF1212 fuel/water sep between the tank and the OE filter bowl soon. I am using a mostly GDP MK-2 + Big Line kit. I opted not to use the supplied fleetguard, or fleetguard filter base. I wanted to use the Cat 2 Micron filter and already had a Baldwin Filter base. Otherwise the kit is GDP. I am very impressed with this kit, all the fittings and parts are top quality, not to mention they will certainly reduce restriction. Here is the intake horn pre install. Here is the GDP kit, with all my additions. Here is the assembled filter base and mount. The new fitting in the CP3 The new fitting in the Fuel Filter Bowl. The mount on the intake horn. And the final install... I also changed the OE filter today. I am going to continue to use the Baldwin PF7977 in the OE location. It has excellent ratings for dirt and water removal. In order to prime the new system and to clean out the rubber line I left the line disconnected from the CP3 and bump the starter and let the fuel pump run until fuel came out the hose. The OEM In-Tank lift pump may not have the most pressure.. but WOW it moves some volume. After this it started on the first crank. I am just waiting on the local machine shop to cut me a piece of steel for my bracket to mount the BF1212, then it will go on. I am hoping to install in on Sunday. I will update with pics then. So in the end I will have a 20 micron fuel/water sep rated for 90%+ free and emulsified water removal, a 5 micron OE fuel/water sep rated for 90%+ free and emulsified water removal, and a 2 micron fuel filter. __________________ 05 3500 QC LB NV5600 4X4 SRW Pricol's (EGT, Boost, DP, FP, Oil) Amsoiled, BMK-11 GDP MK-2+ w/ Cat 2 mic Smarty Jr Revo

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07-23-2008, 06:45 PM	#2 (permalink)
rufushusky Super Moderator Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: The People's republic of Massachusetts Posts: 5,087 Thanks: 33 Thanked 34 Times in 25 Posts rufushusky's Truck Pics	Good call with the Cat filter, I love mine. Install looks great!:thumbsup __________________ Dennis 04.5 Ram 2500 Reg Cab 4x4 5.9, 48re, AEM, Smarty, Banks High Ram,FASS HPFP, Boost/pyro/trans/FP/RP gauges, 5" Exhaust, Cat 2 micron fuel filter, Amsoil Bypass, Reese Hitch, Single Disc Converter w/ Strictly Diesel VB 1997 Fleetwood Prowler 26.5" Check out: Rig of the Month! http://www.cumminsforum.com/forum/rig-month/

07-23-2008, 06:46 PM	#3 (permalink)
*ah64id* Local Rotor Head.... Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Idaho Posts: 3,256 Thanks: 12 Thanked 51 Times in 42 Posts ah64id's Truck Pics	Thanks, yeah after getting the run around with Baldwin I went back to my original plan. __________________ 05 3500 QC LB NV5600 4X4 SRW Pricol's (EGT, Boost, DP, FP, Oil) Amsoiled, BMK-11 GDP MK-2+ w/ Cat 2 mic Smarty Jr Revo

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07-26-2008, 09:21 PM	#6 (permalink)
*ah64id* Local Rotor Head.... Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Idaho Posts: 3,256 Thanks: 12 Thanked 51 Times in 42 Posts ah64id's Truck Pics	I got some free time and got the Baldwin Fuel/Water sep on today. I had a bracket made that bolted to the bottom of the back bolts for the front seat. I had to replace the OE bolts with ones that had more thread. I then bolted the Baldwin filter base to the bracket and ran the plumbing. I used 3/8 compression fittings on the OEM steel line. Everything went together real smooth. I did have to take the NPT fittings from the compression fitting to the push-lok apart and reseal with thread seal tape due to a small fuel leak. But all is well now. and its tucked up neatly above the xcase skid plate and the frame. And a closeup of the fittings. __________________ 05 3500 QC LB NV5600 4X4 SRW Pricol's (EGT, Boost, DP, FP, Oil) Amsoiled, BMK-11 GDP MK-2+ w/ Cat 2 mic Smarty Jr Revo Last edited by ah64id : 07-26-2008 at 09:24 PM.

11-13-2008, 06:31 PM	#7 (permalink)
*ah64id* Local Rotor Head.... Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Idaho Posts: 3,256 Thanks: 12 Thanked 51 Times in 42 Posts ah64id's Truck Pics	Update: All is going well. I have more than 6K, 200 hours, and 350 gallons thru the setup without a hitch... I am hoping to get a fuel psi gauge in the next few months, but we will see... I am going to plan on 20K change intervals until I get a gauge. __________________ 05 3500 QC LB NV5600 4X4 SRW Pricol's (EGT, Boost, DP, FP, Oil) Amsoiled, BMK-11 GDP MK-2+ w/ Cat 2 mic Smarty Jr Revo

11-13-2008, 06:40 PM	#8 (permalink)
BZ2500 Diesel Freak Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Belize Posts: 530 Thanks: 3 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts BZ2500's Truck Pics	Wow thats a nice set up.. So with your stock fuel pump it seems that you have no problems getting fuel to the engine through all the filters right... Also how much does the cat filter cost you?? __________________ 03 Ram 2500 4x4 Laramie SO 250 HP Cummins, Edge Juice with attitude, stainless steel intake horn. Custom made muffler and tip.. Smoked Recon Cab lights, flares, H2's on 285's....

11-13-2008, 06:43 PM	#9 (permalink)
*ah64id* Local Rotor Head.... Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Idaho Posts: 3,256 Thanks: 12 Thanked 51 Times in 42 Posts ah64id's Truck Pics	I have not had any issues yet. My dad has a similar setup that was installed by a dodge dealership. They say there have been no issues on the 05+ with the in tank LP's. The cat filter is $14.xx at the local cat shop. I have done some dyno's before and after the filters. Even on SW#3 on my Smarty Jr there wasn't a noticiable difference in power. So I don't think I am fuel starving the engine. One thing that helps is the big line kit. It increases the flow from the OE canister to the CP3. According to GDP flow is better with the big line kit and filter and stock. __________________ 05 3500 QC LB NV5600 4X4 SRW Pricol's (EGT, Boost, DP, FP, Oil) Amsoiled, BMK-11 GDP MK-2+ w/ Cat 2 mic Smarty Jr Revo

11-13-2008, 06:59 PM	#10 (permalink)
BZ2500 Diesel Freak Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Belize Posts: 530 Thanks: 3 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts BZ2500's Truck Pics	That sounds pretty good.. It sounds like you dont like fleetguard.. Or is the cat filter much better.. __________________ 03 Ram 2500 4x4 Laramie SO 250 HP Cummins, Edge Juice with attitude, stainless steel intake horn. Custom made muffler and tip.. Smoked Recon Cab lights, flares, H2's on 285's....

11-13-2008, 09:23 PM	#11 (permalink)
*ah64id* Local Rotor Head.... Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Idaho Posts: 3,256 Thanks: 12 Thanked 51 Times in 42 Posts ah64id's Truck Pics	The cat filter is a true 2 micron, the fleetguard is really a 5 micron... And for the f/w sep the baldwin and fleetguard are about the same and since its my first of 3 filters I used the cheaper one. __________________ 05 3500 QC LB NV5600 4X4 SRW Pricol's (EGT, Boost, DP, FP, Oil) Amsoiled, BMK-11 GDP MK-2+ w/ Cat 2 mic Smarty Jr Revo