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Old 11-15-2007, 08:30 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Exclamation World's Most Reliable Transmission!!!

I am reaching my boiling point with all these so called Diesel Specialty Shops and Transmission Shops selling a bill of goods.

I don't care if it is DTT, HTS or any number of other so called "Custom Transmission" specialist.

Here is the truth. I have tried the best of the best and still find that they are not much better than a stock transmission. Billet steel all the way through and built VB's, while the manufacturer of these transmissions claim to be able to handle 800+ HP and more, the truth is they don't stand up to a real work truck. Put 19,500 pounds behind any of them and they fail... Only difference is it cost a hell of a lot more to replace the "Custom Parts" than it does stock ones.

I am not saying these transmissions are not better than stock I am however saying they in no way hold up to the reputation these manufacturers are claiming.

Why is it Cummins can make a truck that is not scheduled for a rebuild for over 300,000 miles, but finding a transmission that will hold up for 300,000 miles is impossible. I realize that maintenance such as clutches and such must be replaced, but input shafts, pumps and etc.. should last if they were as good as these companies claim. THEY DONT!!! If there is a company out there that thinks they will, I challenge you to put one in any of my trucks. We do about 180,000 miles a year, run around 600 HP at all times, and use them to work hauling trailers. We don't beat on them, but we do demand them to work and work hard.

Share your transmission stories here and lets find out who really is best. I know lots of Great parts, and have met lots of great people who genuinely think they are great, but truth is, they don't know the real life situations..
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Old 11-15-2007, 09:30 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Are you saying you've tried both HTS and Goerend trannys already? I assume so if you've "tried the best of the best".

I think your problem is expecting the impossible. Why does a work truck need 600hp anyway? Most people know you can't expect to tow heavy with that kind of power...for long.
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Old 11-15-2007, 10:07 AM   #3 (permalink)
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600hp with an Edge Juice? I guess since youve tried them all, maybe a manual is what you should have.
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Old 11-15-2007, 10:15 AM   #4 (permalink)
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Are you saying you've tried both HTS and Goerend trannys already? I assume so if you've "tried the best of the best".

I think your problem is expecting the impossible. Why does a work truck need 600hp anyway? Most people know you can't expect to tow heavy with that kind of power...for long.
Well, as I usually get between 1.5 to 2 million miles out of a truck, I guess I can expect to tow heavy with that power.

and most of my trucks are running around 400 hp, I have that potential on a couple trucks, I may have mis-stated that, I just expect it to surpass my normal requirements.

If they can put a man on the moon, build a rocket that can travel thousands of miles and nail a target and a plane fly by gps unmanned, I can expect a transmission to last a few hundred thousand miles... I think
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600hp with an Edge Juice? I guess since youve tried them all, maybe a manual is what you should have.
I have tried the manuals, 5 and 6 speed, and while the 5 speed was pretty dependable, in most circumstances it is a pain in the arse. Again, my work trucks average around 400hp, and the silver one with the attitude and unlock (160 hp and 350 tq) on top of stock puts it up there pretty good. The truth is, the Higher torque and hp get better fuel mileage under load, A driver has to know how to drive though, it is not all get in put it in D and push the gas, monitoring the results and driving the truck to its potential is something most drivers don't do.
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If they can put a man on the moon, build a rocket that can travel thousands of miles and nail a target and a plane fly by gps unmanned, I can expect a transmission to last a few hundred thousand miles... I think
That is wishful thinking. Why would YOU build a product that last for ever? It's all about money. I am sure they COULD design and build a tranny that would last that long but then they would go out of business due to the sale of parts and rebuilds.
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That is wishful thinking. Why would YOU build a product that last for ever? It's all about money. I am sure they COULD design and build a tranny that would last that long but then they would go out of business due to the sale of parts and rebuilds.
That is kind of my point. There are transmissions out there that will hold up to our motors, so why are they not using them???? And why is noone demanding that we have a tranny that was designed for a diesel instead of a gasser..?
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Because I bought a Goerend tranny.
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I have to agree with dodgerep, i to have an auto with only 15000 miles on it and im not impressed with its towing abilty. The engine is there but the trannie simply is not! I only pull a car trl full of 6 atvs, total grossing around 8k, that being said it overheated on me backing up a 1/16 mile hill, now i think im getting a little slip when it is at the top of its shift range right before shifting, not always but every now and then. So now that i know my trannie is probably going south im left with the decision to upgrade to a new trannie of some sort or buy a new truck. I wanted the auto because my job requires alot of shifting and i was really hoping to avoid it in my personal truck! Is the famed allison really all that and if so why cant Dodge put all the pieces together?
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Well, as I usually get between 1.5 to 2 million miles out of a truck, I guess I can expect to tow heavy with that power.

and most of my trucks are running around 400 hp, I have that potential on a couple trucks, I may have mis-stated that, I just expect it to surpass my normal requirements.
Lol...there's a HUGE difference between 400hp and 600hp. I agree you can tow all day at 400hp, but that's not what you initially said. If you're already having trouble at 400hp then obviously you can't expect 600hp to be any better.

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If they can put a man on the moon, build a rocket that can travel thousands of miles and nail a target and a plane fly by gps unmanned, I can expect a transmission to last a few hundred thousand miles... I think
Do you have any idea how much money each of those things costs? I'm sure you can contract NASA to build you an indestructible tranny, but it's going to cost more than the truck did.
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I have to agree with dodgerep, i to have an auto with only 15000 miles on it and im not impressed with its towing abilty. The engine is there but the trannie simply is not! I only pull a car trl full of 6 atvs, total grossing around 8k, that being said it overheated on me backing up a 1/16 mile hill, now i think im getting a little slip when it is at the top of its shift range right before shifting, not always but every now and then. So now that i know my trannie is probably going south im left with the decision to upgrade to a new trannie of some sort or buy a new truck. I wanted the auto because my job requires alot of shifting and i was really hoping to avoid it in my personal truck! Is the famed allison really all that and if so why cant Dodge put all the pieces together?
You're not exactly agreeing with him because you're talking about the stock tranny and he's talking about built ones. Sure the stock tranny sucks bad, but one built by Goerend or HTS is a very different animal.

Regarding the Allisons, they don't do any better with added power either. They still have to be built to handle it.
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The transmission I have had the most success with is my DTT. I have 160K on it. I did not put the billet input or output shaft in it when I built it, as it was on back order and i could not wait. Those are being installed this week as the stock took a crap on me after 260,000 miles.. This is not saying that after market trannys are not capable, but my custom tranny, which works great, cost me an arm and a leg, which is equal to a gallon of fuel from what I hear.

So many guys are making the same mistake I did years ago, thinking they can get away with a VB, TC and minor upgrades, and the truth is your truck is only as good as the weakest link. I really want to see some inspired and Knowledgeable input on this.. I have gained tons of personal experience with all the miles I have logged in these trucks, and I have not seen anyone really get into depth about it.. It is always the quick fixes..
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