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Old 01-04-2010, 06:37 PM   #1 (permalink)
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i have been running power service so it dont gell up and my buddie was saying somthing about how power service is bad???? Which is better?
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I can't comment on those, but I can tell you that when we had our cold snap a couple weeks ago I had no problems. I use Amsoil https://www.amsoil.com/storefront/dfc.aspx it works for both a cold flow improver and adds extra lubricity for the injectors
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regional winter diesel has plenty of antigel in it to prevent gelling right from the pump.

if you drive into a region colder by 25d F average, then tank up with the local winter blend.

it's put in at the tanker fill rack the same time the correct proportions of #2 and #1 ULSD are mixed and dumped into the tanker.

don't waste your money on extra anti gel. just carry a bottle in case you get stuck buying diesel at a low volume station in the sticks that the owner doesn't care what he pumps.
worst aspect of winter diesel is the extra water picked up by the antigel and blended in #1, plus the extra water condensation from the distribution pipelines, tank farms, tankers and retail tanks. can quickly destroy a set of HPCR FIs

only fuel at major brands high volume stations, truck stops are the best.
mom and pop low volume and the cut rate stations are the worst.

for lubricity improver
one of the ones near the top of this diesel lubricity study, i use TC-W3 rated 2 stroke oil

http://www.johnfjensen.com/Diesel_fu...itive_test.pdf
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Been using the white Power Service during winter and inspection of fuel filter is positive with this stuff. The Red 911 bottle is the save all for poor fuel, sub zero temps freezzing the filter up. BG makes a great product as well.
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i have been running power service so it dont gell up and my buddie was saying somthing about how power service is bad???? Which is better?
I like Power Service, Its been around since 1956 so that says something, and its sold at alot of truck stops, auto stores and wal-mart. That something too.

I've done alot of research on Power Service and so far I think its one of the best, there are others out there like Opti Lube, GEN 49D, but Power Service has been around longer and its easier to find.

I would recommend calling the individual companies and asking alot of questions. Then decide.
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i have been running power service so it dont gell up and my buddie was saying somthing about how power service is bad???? Which is better?

Power Service good , Howes bad.


Your buddy needs a little education in additives and what is good\bad.

Any details on what is bad about PS?
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i have been running power service so it dont gell up and my buddie was saying somthing about how power service is bad???? Which is better?
There is a growing number of people that dont like power service, mainly due to the contents of it. I perfer Howes for anti gel. It doesnt take much to work, it allways works, its cheap and if you gell up howes will reinburse your tow bill. At a near by rest stop the vast majority of truckers buy howes compaired to power serivce. I havent really asked any of them why, but I noticed it and the clerk says they sell way more howes than power service.

Last year I gelled up with stanadyne winter formula and gelled up again when I tried amsoil diesel concentrate with cold flow improver. So far for antil gell howes seams to work 100% of the time.
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That "Fuel Chart" has no real legitimacy I've tried contacting the people who created that chart, or tried finding them in general with no luck. The chart uses diesel fuel that is not sold at the pump.

Maryn International Ltd, or PowerUp Lubricants has done a REAL study and you can call them and they will confirm it. They make a product called GEN 49D. They used Diesel Fuel from Shell that had an HFRR (how well it lubricate, lower the number better it lubricates) rating of 508. 520 is Fed standard. Then they tested it with Power Service Diesel Kleen. The HFRR was brought down to 388, now thats really good. They also tested the fuel with other additives including Howes. Howes Diesel Treat+Anti Gel brought it to 386, ok thats good. Keep in mind they tested the fuel with lots of other additives.

Howes Meaner power cleaner got a 362 HFRR rating, then Power Service Fuel Supplement got a really good 334 HFRR rating. Thats way better than 2 cycle and Howes.

According to The Other chart from Diesel Page 2 Cycle got a 474 HFRR rating.

Then PowerUps GEN 49D got a super low 296 HFRR rating.

The point is, the Study from the Diesel Page can not be confirmed as real. People PRAISE that chart, but wheres the evidence of its neutralness, and legitimacy . The chart from MARYN/PowerUp is real and you can call the President of Sales and Marketing and He will confirm their chart. How do I know, because I called them to verify the legitimacy of their chart. They did a real study and scientific research for their chart. Unlike the PRAISED ALL MIGHTY diesel page chart. Which used LAB based Diesel fuel rated at 636 HFRR, which is not sold at the pumps. So its not a realistic fuel to test with.

Do research, don't follow the hype. I would stay with a product that is made to BLEND with ULSD fuels and not something made for gasoline.

By and By Maryn is out of Canada, and PowerUp lubricants are out of Texas. Its the same company.

Oh and the stuff in PowerService helps clean as well as lubricate. The Pee-tree dish test is not valid.

Sorry if I sound angry, just tired of people believing in hype and what they "hear" vs doing alittle research.
After talking with Jerry from PowerUp he said if 2 cycle was a great product for DIESEL fuel they would sell it and advertise it as a DIESEL FUEL LUBRICANT, but its not, its made for GASOLINE, he said it does lubricate, thats not the debate. But its not made for diesel fuel. He recommended buying a product that is made for ULSD fuels. And offered me to try their GEN 49D. I may, but its easier to find PowerService.

The other chart from the Diesel Page is out there was a study, but don't let that be your only source of information. Some companies I've talk to think that the chart is made to make Opti Lube look the best. And some companies were approached to do a study and if they "donated" $3000 then they will be used. Yet Power Service and I think Lucas had declined to be involved, yet some how their products still got into the study. Strange Huh!
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i was told that howes is better then powerservice and most of the truckers around here run howes
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If anyone wants a copy of the fuel chart from Maryn, you'll have to send me your e-mail and I can e-mail to you. I got the chart from Power Service then Called PowerUp to confirm it and they took responsibility for conducting the study and research.

I do not know how to put the chart on CF. so all I can do is e-mail it to anyone who wants it.
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i was told that howes is better then powerservice and most of the truckers around here run howes
Howes is good too. they scored very well with the other study.
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What was explained to me was Howes will bind to the water and run it thru the fuel system, PS won't. I am not enough of a chemist to verify that but PS has worked for over 1/2 million miles on 2 trucks with no issues. PS gets my vote.

Maybe its a cost thing with Howes? It looks to have a whole lot of solvents in it also. Not sure that is real good for HPCR systems in the long run.
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