TST warning for June 2006 or later trucks

***trik396*** · 07-19-2007, 10:09 AM

This is from TST website...

Important note on the PowerMaxCR for a 2006 or 2007 Dodge Ram:

- The rail pressure part of the PowerMaxCR does not currently work on Dodge trucks with a build date of June 2006 or later. TST is working on this problem and will update the program and/or harnesses at no additional cost when we get a fix. In the mean time, do not connect the TST rail pressure harness to the rail pressure sensor, leave the stock harness connected to the rail pressure sensor. - Also, the PowerMaxCR does not currently work on some Dodge trucks with a build date of June 2006 or later even with the TST rail pressure harness not hooked up. Some trucks run rough and some set a P0148 code. TST has stopped shipping PowerMaxCR units for Dodge trucks with a build date of June 2006 or later until the problems have been resolved.

From what I heard from others who have communicated with TST directly is that using this on the newer trucks can and will cause UNCONTROLLABLE egt's no matter WHAT SETTING. Even the lowest settings will destroy your engine. Crazy sky high temps that WILL MELT YOUR PISTONS QUICKLY.
I am getting this info from those who have had carnage. I DON'T have first hand info, but thought those of you who are potential users should know.

Good luck.

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Trans by Goerend/ Walbro392custom fuel system/CAT2micfuelfilters/IISilver64/BanksIC
Projector HID's/DiablosportPredator/VanAaken3.2/QuadsXZT
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***Graphic Man*** · 07-19-2007, 11:35 AM

good Info :thumbsup

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***MR4WLR*** · 07-19-2007, 03:21 PM

I think we'll make this a sticky :thumbsup
Do our part to make sure as many people are educated about the issue till they get it resolved.

__________________
Corey Ritter - Amity, OR
'04 Patriot Blue SRW 3500 QC 4X4 Laramie, 6spd, HO, Edge EZ, TST PowerMAXCR, Smarty, SPS 66, Rip's 4", AFE PG7 W/torque tube, FASS 150, Superlift leveling kit, Ride Rite's w/onboard air, Line-X. Torklift camper tie downs, fuel vent mod, CB, GPSmap 168, Buckstop/Warn 12,000 lb, KC Daylighters, MTL w/prolong in trans, Haisley DD, DiPricol gauges and Quad Commander. 77K
513/1043 Fast Specialties DDD 4-15-2006 TST-EZ stack, Quickest 1/4 mile ET 13.949 @ 96 MPH @ PIR
Hauls Lance "Lite" 1025 @4klbs
Wifes truck '98 Intense Blue 12V QC LB 4X4 Auto

Last edited by MR4WLR : 07-19-2007 at 06:53 PM.

triton · 07-19-2007, 04:45 PM

a little more first hand info. I talked in length to Mark at TST about this since I was sold one before they stopped selling them to people that wanted to put them on the after 6/06 build engines. Edge is also having the same problem where they don't work on the late model 07's.

The fact is, the TST does work on some trucks. It worked on mine as long as I didn't have the RP connected. I did end up frying a pistons but, that was after having the TST installed for 6 months. I am not saying the TST had anything to do with my problem as I was playing hard at the track.

Some trucks it won't work at all on, others have intermittent problems... etc. The problem is in the pressure to the injectors. When the box is turned on, it spikes along with what the ECM is already doing instead of replacing the ECM signal. Both together can cause injectors to stick open which is where the fried pistons happen.

They've really worked on trying to figure out what's happening but, without D/C's secret code to the ECM, it's been a dead end. They've also been working with Marco to figure it out since the Smarty seems to work.

People do need to STOP using them on the 6/06 and later if there are. He said, people will call there and lie saying they have a 06 model but, really have 07's just to get the box sold to them. He also says they can't control who their dealers sell to and can only hope they aren't being sold to those with the late model 07 5.9.

They have covered themselves legally and are only responsible for any damage to their box. This is understandable because they are not putting a gun to anyones head to use their product. This sentiment is heard throughout the performance world so, if you play.... YOU pay

This is not to discredit TST or say they have a bad product, on the contrary. The box is a great product and works great on everything but, the newer Can-Bus ECM. This was only to point out the issues on the after 6/06 model 5.9L. They're in the works on something for the 6.7L

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BBRam · 07-19-2007, 05:05 PM

Great Post Triton. :thumbsup

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rbmchief · 07-19-2007, 06:47 PM

sorry to hear about your truck triton.

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triton · 07-19-2007, 07:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rbmchief

sorry to hear about your truck triton.

Thank you sir but... it's really ok. I'm well aware that mods and playing will cost money. I planned to build the engine but, not so soon. I figured I woould have problems going to the track but, not a toasted piston. It should be done in a few weeks. It's at Scheids being built from the ground up

sorry, didn't mean for a sticky post to be about my truck :fist:

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Dodgezilla · 07-19-2007, 11:02 PM

I ran my old TST from my 03 on my 07 truck for a while and other than throwing that P0148 code on occasion I had no other issues with it other than it was slipping my clutch something terrible. So, I think you may be safe with an older unit, just not the newer ones....

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ramfreak01 · 07-19-2007, 11:47 PM

does anyone have marks number? I can't access there website right now and I have a couple questions about my tst concerning this issue

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***MR4WLR*** · 07-20-2007, 01:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ramfreak01

does anyone have marks number? I can't access there website right now and I have a couple questions about my tst concerning this issue

NOTICE TO CALLERS- OUR PHONE SYSTEM IS NOT WORKING PROPERLY, WE ARE WORKING TO GET THIS FIXED ASAP, WHEN CALLING IN CALLS MAY BE DROPPED, SORRY FOR ANY INCONVENIENCE.

812-342-6741

Fax: 812-342-4880

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Corey Ritter - Amity, OR
'04 Patriot Blue SRW 3500 QC 4X4 Laramie, 6spd, HO, Edge EZ, TST PowerMAXCR, Smarty, SPS 66, Rip's 4", AFE PG7 W/torque tube, FASS 150, Superlift leveling kit, Ride Rite's w/onboard air, Line-X. Torklift camper tie downs, fuel vent mod, CB, GPSmap 168, Buckstop/Warn 12,000 lb, KC Daylighters, MTL w/prolong in trans, Haisley DD, DiPricol gauges and Quad Commander. 77K
513/1043 Fast Specialties DDD 4-15-2006 TST-EZ stack, Quickest 1/4 mile ET 13.949 @ 96 MPH @ PIR
Hauls Lance "Lite" 1025 @4klbs
Wifes truck '98 Intense Blue 12V QC LB 4X4 Auto

***pro99*** · 07-20-2007, 01:12 AM

So if they have a call that someone wants to buy something then it works fine but if they someone calling in with a concern then click

Just joking love TST stuff and ran it myself on my old motor and still would If I had a 24 valve motor:thumbsup

I went to seen Mark about a few things and we talked for a while. He took me around the shop to show me what they were working on. Mark is a OK guy in my book!!

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***lakelife79*** · 07-20-2007, 02:02 PM

For you guys that are running the TST in the affected trucks do you notice your EGT's going out of control? It kind of makes me worry a little even though I have a 12/05 build motor. But on the other hand I havent seen my EGT's go above 1350 for more than a few seconds. I hope they can figure out what the issue is.

__________________
07 3500 DRW Mega Laramie, S300 over S400, BD Intercooler, Goerend Tranny with Billet Flexplate & Shafts, Smarty, FASS 150/150, C2 Gauges, Flux 2's, Stock CP3, Coolant Bypass, T&C Diesel Modded Rail, Hamilton Cam, Pushrods, Springs, and ARP Studs.

Dyno 2/21/09 - 676hp 1445tq

07-19-2007, 10:09 AM	#1 (permalink)
*trik396* Diesel Head Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Illinois Posts: 1,568 Thanks: 0 Thanked 5 Times in 5 Posts trik396's Truck Pics	TST warning for June 2006 or later trucks This is from TST website... Important note on the PowerMaxCR for a 2006 or 2007 Dodge Ram: - The rail pressure part of the PowerMaxCR does not currently work on Dodge trucks with a build date of June 2006 or later. TST is working on this problem and will update the program and/or harnesses at no additional cost when we get a fix. In the mean time, do not connect the TST rail pressure harness to the rail pressure sensor, leave the stock harness connected to the rail pressure sensor. - Also, the PowerMaxCR does not currently work on some Dodge trucks with a build date of June 2006 or later even with the TST rail pressure harness not hooked up. Some trucks run rough and some set a P0148 code. TST has stopped shipping PowerMaxCR units for Dodge trucks with a build date of June 2006 or later until the problems have been resolved. From what I heard from others who have communicated with TST directly is that using this on the newer trucks can and will cause UNCONTROLLABLE egt's no matter WHAT SETTING. Even the lowest settings will destroy your engine. Crazy sky high temps that WILL MELT YOUR PISTONS QUICKLY. I am getting this info from those who have had carnage. I DON'T have first hand info, but thought those of you who are potential users should know. Good luck. __________________ 2005 DodgeRam2500 CTD/ 4x4/ BigHorn/ Autometer/AmsoilBypass/AemBruteforce Trans by Goerend/ Walbro392custom fuel system/CAT2micfuelfilters/IISilver64/BanksIC Projector HID's/DiablosportPredator/VanAaken3.2/QuadsXZT 617hp 1200+trq KOREChasewFoxShox/Carli&FoxDualSteeringStabilizer/ NittoTerras285's 3 people can keep a secret if 2 of them are dead...

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07-19-2007, 11:35 AM	#2 (permalink)
*Graphic Man* Go for Broke Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Mississauga ont. Canada Posts: 7,935 Thanks: 1 Thanked 13 Times in 12 Posts Graphic Man's Truck Pics	good Info :thumbsup __________________ 08 Mega cab is on it's way SOLD01 4X4 Q-cab Sport Monster VP, Redline Injectors, twins 66/S480 with race cover, full billet trans etc, Special thanks to: Redline diesel and Diesel Dr.s

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*MR4WLR* Former Staff Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Amity, OR Posts: 3,780 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post MR4WLR's Truck Pics	I think we'll make this a sticky :thumbsup Do our part to make sure as many people are educated about the issue till they get it resolved. __________________ Corey Ritter - Amity, OR '04 Patriot Blue SRW 3500 QC 4X4 Laramie, 6spd, HO, Edge EZ, TST PowerMAXCR, Smarty, SPS 66, Rip's 4", AFE PG7 W/torque tube, FASS 150, Superlift leveling kit, Ride Rite's w/onboard air, Line-X. Torklift camper tie downs, fuel vent mod, CB, GPSmap 168, Buckstop/Warn 12,000 lb, KC Daylighters, MTL w/prolong in trans, Haisley DD, DiPricol gauges and Quad Commander. 77K 513/1043 Fast Specialties DDD 4-15-2006 TST-EZ stack, Quickest 1/4 mile ET 13.949 @ 96 MPH @ PIR Hauls Lance "Lite" 1025 @4klbs Wifes truck '98 Intense Blue 12V QC LB 4X4 Auto Last edited by MR4WLR : 07-19-2007 at 06:53 PM.

07-19-2007, 04:45 PM	#4 (permalink)
triton NADM Advisory Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: NC mountains Posts: 1,428 Thanks: 1 Thanked 62 Times in 55 Posts triton's Truck Pics	a little more first hand info. I talked in length to Mark at TST about this since I was sold one before they stopped selling them to people that wanted to put them on the after 6/06 build engines. Edge is also having the same problem where they don't work on the late model 07's. The fact is, the TST does work on some trucks. It worked on mine as long as I didn't have the RP connected. I did end up frying a pistons but, that was after having the TST installed for 6 months. I am not saying the TST had anything to do with my problem as I was playing hard at the track. Some trucks it won't work at all on, others have intermittent problems... etc. The problem is in the pressure to the injectors. When the box is turned on, it spikes along with what the ECM is already doing instead of replacing the ECM signal. Both together can cause injectors to stick open which is where the fried pistons happen. They've really worked on trying to figure out what's happening but, without D/C's secret code to the ECM, it's been a dead end. They've also been working with Marco to figure it out since the Smarty seems to work. People do need to STOP using them on the 6/06 and later if there are. He said, people will call there and lie saying they have a 06 model but, really have 07's just to get the box sold to them. He also says they can't control who their dealers sell to and can only hope they aren't being sold to those with the late model 07 5.9. They have covered themselves legally and are only responsible for any damage to their box. This is understandable because they are not putting a gun to anyones head to use their product. This sentiment is heard throughout the performance world so, if you play.... YOU pay This is not to discredit TST or say they have a bad product, on the contrary. The box is a great product and works great on everything but, the newer Can-Bus ECM. This was only to point out the issues on the after 6/06 model 5.9L. They're in the works on something for the 6.7L __________________ www.BlackPatchDiesel.com Garmon Diesel / Airwerks / High Tech Turbo AirDog / Glacier Diesel / NADM / XSPower

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Dodgezilla Diesel Head Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: East Coast Posts: 3,444 Thanks: 0 Thanked 25 Times in 22 Posts Dodgezilla's Truck Pics	I ran my old TST from my 03 on my 07 truck for a while and other than throwing that P0148 code on occasion I had no other issues with it other than it was slipping my clutch something terrible. So, I think you may be safe with an older unit, just not the newer ones.... __________________ 04 Ram 2500 305/555 HO,48RE,4x4,3:73s,QC,LB,Infinity sound,MOPAR DVD,Green /Silver,PW Wheels,4"exh w/ 6.7l+BullyDog mufflers,Timbrens,Bilsteins,VA C3.2,DS Predator,Westachs,Fumoto,BHAF,2nd gen intake,HE351,ImitationTrainHorn,TRM, 16" pusher fan

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ramfreak01 Cummins Enthusiast Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Osceola, Pa Posts: 277 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts ramfreak01's Truck Pics	does anyone have marks number? I can't access there website right now and I have a couple questions about my tst concerning this issue __________________ 06 Slt 2500 6-speed,muffler, cat, silencer MIA,5 in stacks,isspro guages,go ind. headache rack,gooseneck hitch, TST, DD 3600 SBC, AEM Workhorse, GDP Big line kit, 35x12.5 hankook mt's

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*pro99* Diesel Head Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: CHESTERFIELD MI Posts: 2,774 Thanks: 18 Thanked 4 Times in 4 Posts pro99's Truck Pics	So if they have a call that someone wants to buy something then it works fine but if they someone calling in with a concern then click Just joking love TST stuff and ran it myself on my old motor and still would If I had a 24 valve motor:thumbsup I went to seen Mark about a few things and we talked for a while. He took me around the shop to show me what they were working on. Mark is a OK guy in my book!! __________________

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*lakelife79* Diesel Addict Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Midland, TX Posts: 959 Thanks: 2 Thanked 9 Times in 8 Posts lakelife79's Truck Pics	For you guys that are running the TST in the affected trucks do you notice your EGT's going out of control? It kind of makes me worry a little even though I have a 12/05 build motor. But on the other hand I havent seen my EGT's go above 1350 for more than a few seconds. I hope they can figure out what the issue is. __________________ 07 3500 DRW Mega Laramie, S300 over S400, BD Intercooler, Goerend Tranny with Billet Flexplate & Shafts, Smarty, FASS 150/150, C2 Gauges, Flux 2's, Stock CP3, Coolant Bypass, T&C Diesel Modded Rail, Hamilton Cam, Pushrods, Springs, and ARP Studs. Dyno 2/21/09 - 676hp 1445tq