TST warning for June 2006 or later trucks

trik396 · 07-19-2007, 06:09 AM

This is from TST website...

Important note on the PowerMaxCR for a 2006 or 2007 Dodge Ram:

- The rail pressure part of the PowerMaxCR does not currently work on Dodge trucks with a build date of June 2006 or later. TST is working on this problem and will update the program and/or harnesses at no additional cost when we get a fix. In the mean time, do not connect the TST rail pressure harness to the rail pressure sensor, leave the stock harness connected to the rail pressure sensor. - Also, the PowerMaxCR does not currently work on some Dodge trucks with a build date of June 2006 or later even with the TST rail pressure harness not hooked up. Some trucks run rough and some set a P0148 code. TST has stopped shipping PowerMaxCR units for Dodge trucks with a build date of June 2006 or later until the problems have been resolved.

From what I heard from others who have communicated with TST directly is that using this on the newer trucks can and will cause UNCONTROLLABLE egt's no matter WHAT SETTING. Even the lowest settings will destroy your engine. Crazy sky high temps that WILL MELT YOUR PISTONS QUICKLY.
I am getting this info from those who have had carnage. I DON'T have first hand info, but thought those of you who are potential users should know.

Good luck.

__________________
2005 DodgeRam2500 CTD/ 4x4/ BigHorn/ Autometer/AmsoilBypass/AemBruteforce
Trans by Goerend/ Walbro392custom fuel system/CAT2micfuelfilters/IISilver64/BanksIC
Projector HID's/DiablosportPredator/VanAaken3.2/QuadsXZT
617hp 1200+trq

KOREChasewFoxShox/Carli&FoxDualSteeringStabilizer/ NittoTerras285's
3 people can keep a secret if 2 of them are dead...

Graphic Man · 07-19-2007, 07:35 AM

good Info

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2001 4X4 Q-cab Sport black, full billet DTT trans, billet F-plate Mach 7's, B1-B2 twins, Blue Chip Special X VP, Adrenaline, studded & O-ringed, BD-RAD,Flex-A-Lite electric fans, Autometer Gages, Egt, Boost,Fuel, Oil &,drive pressure, trans temp, RASP, Big line kit, Track bars 2" leveling kit, 271 T-case, DSS, 3rd gen trac bar 623 HP 1175tq with old set-up

MR4WLR · 07-19-2007, 11:21 AM

I think we'll make this a sticky

Do our part to make sure as many people are educated about the issue till they get it resolved.

__________________
Corey Ritter - Amity, OR
'04 Patriot Blue SRW 3500 QC 4X4 Laramie, 6spd, HO, Edge EZ, TST PowerMAXCR, Smarty, SPS 66, Rip's 4", AFE PG7 W/torque tube, FASS 150, Superlift leveling kit, Ride Rite's w/onboard air, Line-X. Torklift camper tie downs, fuel vent mod, CB, GPSmap 168, Buckstop/Warn 12,000 lb, KC Daylighters, MTL w/prolong in trans, Haisley DD, DiPricol gauges and Quad Commander. 77K
513/1043 Fast Specialties DDD 4-15-2006 TST-EZ stack, Quickest 1/4 mile ET 13.949 @ 96 MPH @ PIR
Hauls Lance "Lite" 1025 @4klbs
Wifes truck '98 Intense Blue 12V QC LB 4X4 Auto

Last edited by MR4WLR : 07-19-2007 at 02:53 PM.

triton · 07-19-2007, 12:45 PM

a little more first hand info. I talked in length to Mark at TST about this since I was sold one before they stopped selling them to people that wanted to put them on the after 6/06 build engines. Edge is also having the same problem where they don't work on the late model 07's.

The fact is, the TST does work on some trucks. It worked on mine as long as I didn't have the RP connected. I did end up frying a pistons but, that was after having the TST installed for 6 months. I am not saying the TST had anything to do with my problem as I was playing hard at the track.

Some trucks it won't work at all on, others have intermittent problems... etc. The problem is in the pressure to the injectors. When the box is turned on, it spikes along with what the ECM is already doing instead of replacing the ECM signal. Both together can cause injectors to stick open which is where the fried pistons happen.

They've really worked on trying to figure out what's happening but, without D/C's secret code to the ECM, it's been a dead end. They've also been working with Marco to figure it out since the Smarty seems to work.

People do need to STOP using them on the 6/06 and later if there are. He said, people will call there and lie saying they have a 06 model but, really have 07's just to get the box sold to them. He also says they can't control who their dealers sell to and can only hope they aren't being sold to those with the late model 07 5.9.

They have covered themselves legally and are only responsible for any damage to their box. This is understandable because they are not putting a gun to anyones head to use their product. This sentiment is heard throughout the performance world so, if you play.... YOU pay

This is not to discredit TST or say they have a bad product, on the contrary. The box is a great product and works great on everything but, the newer Can-Bus ECM. This was only to point out the issues on the after 6/06 model 5.9L. They're in the works on something for the 6.7L

__________________

07 3500 Mega 5.9L CTD
754hp/1400tq on #2
runNADM.com Black Patch Diesel

BBRam · 07-19-2007, 01:05 PM

Great Post Triton.

__________________

03-3500, DRW, QC, 4x4, DTT Trans, Mag-Hytec, R700 BD Twins, BD IC Boots, BD Billet Flexplate, Lockup Switch, SMARTY TNT-R BETA/TS MP-8, Eliminator Fuel System, Floor It Stage 3.5 CP3, F1 Flux 3.8's, ARP Head Stud's, Springs, Fluidampr, ATS ARC-FLOW, AFE, Boost, Drive Pressure, Pyro, Fuel Pressure, Tran's Temp, Rail Pressure Gauge, GDP Ladder Bars, GR 7" Miters. Old #'s (R/T .021, 60' 1.76, 1/4 ET 13.14 @ 100.45 mph)

rbmchief · 07-19-2007, 02:47 PM

sorry to hear about your truck triton.

__________________
02 2500 slt 4x4,auto,icebox cai,silencer ring mia, Quad xzt+,jhook, Pinnacle 4" turbo back exhaust,westach elec fuel guage, isspro transtemp,boost,egt guages in pillar, line x in bed, runnin 2 stroke.

triton · 07-19-2007, 03:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rbmchief

sorry to hear about your truck triton.

Thank you sir but... it's really ok. I'm well aware that mods and playing will cost money. I planned to build the engine but, not so soon. I figured I woould have problems going to the track but, not a toasted piston. It should be done in a few weeks. It's at Scheids being built from the ground up

sorry, didn't mean for a sticky post to be about my truck :fist:

__________________

07 3500 Mega 5.9L CTD
754hp/1400tq on #2
runNADM.com Black Patch Diesel

Dodgezilla · 07-19-2007, 07:02 PM

I ran my old TST from my 03 on my 07 truck for a while and other than throwing that P0148 code on occasion I had no other issues with it other than it was slipping my clutch something terrible. So, I think you may be safe with an older unit, just not the newer ones....

__________________
08 Ram 2500 Mega 4x4,68RE,6.7l,Loaded Laramie,SRT10 hood, Sunroof, DVD, Nitto 285 Dura Grapplers, MOPAR Grill Guard, Some other stuff
Will Work For Fuel!!!

ramfreak01 · 07-19-2007, 07:47 PM

does anyone have marks number? I can't access there website right now and I have a couple questions about my tst concerning this issue

__________________
06 Slt 2500 6-speed,muffler, cat, silencer MIA,5 in stacks,isspro guages,go ind. headache rack,gooseneck hitch, TST, DD 3600 SBC, AEM Workhorse, GDP Big line kit, 35x12.5 hankook mt's

MR4WLR · 07-19-2007, 09:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ramfreak01

does anyone have marks number? I can't access there website right now and I have a couple questions about my tst concerning this issue

NOTICE TO CALLERS- OUR PHONE SYSTEM IS NOT WORKING PROPERLY, WE ARE WORKING TO GET THIS FIXED ASAP, WHEN CALLING IN CALLS MAY BE DROPPED, SORRY FOR ANY INCONVENIENCE.

812-342-6741

Fax: 812-342-4880

__________________
Corey Ritter - Amity, OR
'04 Patriot Blue SRW 3500 QC 4X4 Laramie, 6spd, HO, Edge EZ, TST PowerMAXCR, Smarty, SPS 66, Rip's 4", AFE PG7 W/torque tube, FASS 150, Superlift leveling kit, Ride Rite's w/onboard air, Line-X. Torklift camper tie downs, fuel vent mod, CB, GPSmap 168, Buckstop/Warn 12,000 lb, KC Daylighters, MTL w/prolong in trans, Haisley DD, DiPricol gauges and Quad Commander. 77K
513/1043 Fast Specialties DDD 4-15-2006 TST-EZ stack, Quickest 1/4 mile ET 13.949 @ 96 MPH @ PIR
Hauls Lance "Lite" 1025 @4klbs
Wifes truck '98 Intense Blue 12V QC LB 4X4 Auto

pro99 · 07-19-2007, 09:12 PM

So if they have a call that someone wants to buy something then it works fine but if they someone calling in with a concern then click

Just joking love TST stuff and ran it myself on my old motor and still would If I had a 24 valve motor

I went to seen Mark about a few things and we talked for a while. He took me around the shop to show me what they were working on. Mark is a OK guy in my book!!

__________________
Charles Estep

***lakelife79*** · 07-20-2007, 10:02 AM

For you guys that are running the TST in the affected trucks do you notice your EGT's going out of control? It kind of makes me worry a little even though I have a 12/05 build motor. But on the other hand I havent seen my EGT's go above 1350 for more than a few seconds. I hope they can figure out what the issue is.

__________________
2006 Dodge 2500 4x4 Megacab, BD Towing Twins, BD Intercooler, Goerends Tranny with Billet Flexplate and Input Shaft, DTT Shift Enhanser, Smarty/Edge EZ Stack, Walbro Performance Kit, Big Line Kit, 2 Micron Filter Kit, CFM Intake, C2 AutoMeter Gauges, Carli Leveling Kit, F1 40hp Injectors, II Modded CP3, Tuff Country Traction Bars, and ARP Studs.

New Truck: 2007 DRW 3500 2wd Megacab Laramie 5.9 auto, Bone Stock for now...

07-19-2007, 06:09 AM	#1 (permalink)
trik396 Diesel Head Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Illinois Posts: 1,349 trik396's Truck Pics	TST warning for June 2006 or later trucks This is from TST website... Important note on the PowerMaxCR for a 2006 or 2007 Dodge Ram: - The rail pressure part of the PowerMaxCR does not currently work on Dodge trucks with a build date of June 2006 or later. TST is working on this problem and will update the program and/or harnesses at no additional cost when we get a fix. In the mean time, do not connect the TST rail pressure harness to the rail pressure sensor, leave the stock harness connected to the rail pressure sensor. - Also, the PowerMaxCR does not currently work on some Dodge trucks with a build date of June 2006 or later even with the TST rail pressure harness not hooked up. Some trucks run rough and some set a P0148 code. TST has stopped shipping PowerMaxCR units for Dodge trucks with a build date of June 2006 or later until the problems have been resolved. From what I heard from others who have communicated with TST directly is that using this on the newer trucks can and will cause UNCONTROLLABLE egt's no matter WHAT SETTING. Even the lowest settings will destroy your engine. Crazy sky high temps that WILL MELT YOUR PISTONS QUICKLY. I am getting this info from those who have had carnage. I DON'T have first hand info, but thought those of you who are potential users should know. Good luck. __________________ 2005 DodgeRam2500 CTD/ 4x4/ BigHorn/ Autometer/AmsoilBypass/AemBruteforce Trans by Goerend/ Walbro392custom fuel system/CAT2micfuelfilters/IISilver64/BanksIC Projector HID's/DiablosportPredator/VanAaken3.2/QuadsXZT 617hp 1200+trq KOREChasewFoxShox/Carli&FoxDualSteeringStabilizer/ NittoTerras285's 3 people can keep a secret if 2 of them are dead...

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07-19-2007, 07:35 AM	#2 (permalink)
Graphic Man Administrator Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Mississauga ont. Canada Posts: 7,051 Graphic Man's Truck Pics	good Info __________________ Half the post = Half the B/S....unlike some other " Admin" .....when i get old i wana be just like BBRam 2001 4X4 Q-cab Sport black, full billet DTT trans, billet F-plate Mach 7's, B1-B2 twins, Blue Chip Special X VP, Adrenaline, studded & O-ringed, BD-RAD,Flex-A-Lite electric fans, Autometer Gages, Egt, Boost,Fuel, Oil &,drive pressure, trans temp, RASP, Big line kit, Track bars 2" leveling kit, 271 T-case, DSS, 3rd gen trac bar 623 HP 1175tq with old set-up

07-19-2007, 11:21 AM	#3 (permalink)
MR4WLR Administrator Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Amity, OR Posts: 3,594 MR4WLR's Truck Pics	I think we'll make this a sticky Do our part to make sure as many people are educated about the issue till they get it resolved. __________________ Corey Ritter - Amity, OR '04 Patriot Blue SRW 3500 QC 4X4 Laramie, 6spd, HO, Edge EZ, TST PowerMAXCR, Smarty, SPS 66, Rip's 4", AFE PG7 W/torque tube, FASS 150, Superlift leveling kit, Ride Rite's w/onboard air, Line-X. Torklift camper tie downs, fuel vent mod, CB, GPSmap 168, Buckstop/Warn 12,000 lb, KC Daylighters, MTL w/prolong in trans, Haisley DD, DiPricol gauges and Quad Commander. 77K 513/1043 Fast Specialties DDD 4-15-2006 TST-EZ stack, Quickest 1/4 mile ET 13.949 @ 96 MPH @ PIR Hauls Lance "Lite" 1025 @4klbs Wifes truck '98 Intense Blue 12V QC LB 4X4 Auto Last edited by MR4WLR : 07-19-2007 at 02:53 PM.

07-19-2007, 12:45 PM	#4 (permalink)
triton Cummins Nut Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: NC mountains Posts: 403 triton's Truck Pics	a little more first hand info. I talked in length to Mark at TST about this since I was sold one before they stopped selling them to people that wanted to put them on the after 6/06 build engines. Edge is also having the same problem where they don't work on the late model 07's. The fact is, the TST does work on some trucks. It worked on mine as long as I didn't have the RP connected. I did end up frying a pistons but, that was after having the TST installed for 6 months. I am not saying the TST had anything to do with my problem as I was playing hard at the track. Some trucks it won't work at all on, others have intermittent problems... etc. The problem is in the pressure to the injectors. When the box is turned on, it spikes along with what the ECM is already doing instead of replacing the ECM signal. Both together can cause injectors to stick open which is where the fried pistons happen. They've really worked on trying to figure out what's happening but, without D/C's secret code to the ECM, it's been a dead end. They've also been working with Marco to figure it out since the Smarty seems to work. People do need to STOP using them on the 6/06 and later if there are. He said, people will call there and lie saying they have a 06 model but, really have 07's just to get the box sold to them. He also says they can't control who their dealers sell to and can only hope they aren't being sold to those with the late model 07 5.9. They have covered themselves legally and are only responsible for any damage to their box. This is understandable because they are not putting a gun to anyones head to use their product. This sentiment is heard throughout the performance world so, if you play.... YOU pay This is not to discredit TST or say they have a bad product, on the contrary. The box is a great product and works great on everything but, the newer Can-Bus ECM. This was only to point out the issues on the after 6/06 model 5.9L. They're in the works on something for the 6.7L __________________ 07 3500 Mega 5.9L CTD 754hp/1400tq on #2 runNADM.com Black Patch Diesel

07-19-2007, 01:05 PM	#5 (permalink)
BBRam Super Administrator Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Chelsea MI Posts: 14,325 BBRam's Truck Pics	Great Post Triton. __________________ 03-3500, DRW, QC, 4x4, DTT Trans, Mag-Hytec, R700 BD Twins, BD IC Boots, BD Billet Flexplate, Lockup Switch, SMARTY TNT-R BETA/TS MP-8, Eliminator Fuel System, Floor It Stage 3.5 CP3, F1 Flux 3.8's, ARP Head Stud's, Springs, Fluidampr, ATS ARC-FLOW, AFE, Boost, Drive Pressure, Pyro, Fuel Pressure, Tran's Temp, Rail Pressure Gauge, GDP Ladder Bars, GR 7" Miters. Old #'s (R/T .021, 60' 1.76, 1/4 ET 13.14 @ 100.45 mph)

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rbmchief Super Moderator Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: casper wy Posts: 1,923 rbmchief's Truck Pics	sorry to hear about your truck triton. __________________ 02 2500 slt 4x4,auto,icebox cai,silencer ring mia, Quad xzt+,jhook, Pinnacle 4" turbo back exhaust,westach elec fuel guage, isspro transtemp,boost,egt guages in pillar, line x in bed, runnin 2 stroke.

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Dodgezilla Diesel Head Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: East Coast Posts: 1,782 Dodgezilla's Truck Pics	I ran my old TST from my 03 on my 07 truck for a while and other than throwing that P0148 code on occasion I had no other issues with it other than it was slipping my clutch something terrible. So, I think you may be safe with an older unit, just not the newer ones.... __________________ 08 Ram 2500 Mega 4x4,68RE,6.7l,Loaded Laramie,SRT10 hood, Sunroof, DVD, Nitto 285 Dura Grapplers, MOPAR Grill Guard, Some other stuff *Will Work For Fuel!!!*

07-19-2007, 07:47 PM	#9 (permalink)
ramfreak01 Cummins Enthusiast Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Osceola, Pa Posts: 270 ramfreak01's Truck Pics	does anyone have marks number? I can't access there website right now and I have a couple questions about my tst concerning this issue __________________ 06 Slt 2500 6-speed,muffler, cat, silencer MIA,5 in stacks,isspro guages,go ind. headache rack,gooseneck hitch, TST, DD 3600 SBC, AEM Workhorse, GDP Big line kit, 35x12.5 hankook mt's

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pro99 Moderator Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Chesterfield , Michigan Posts: 2,068 pro99's Truck Pics	So if they have a call that someone wants to buy something then it works fine but if they someone calling in with a concern then click Just joking love TST stuff and ran it myself on my old motor and still would If I had a 24 valve motor I went to seen Mark about a few things and we talked for a while. He took me around the shop to show me what they were working on. Mark is a OK guy in my book!! __________________ Charles Estep

07-20-2007, 10:02 AM	#12 (permalink)
*lakelife79* Diesel Addict Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Midland, TX Posts: 398 lakelife79's Truck Pics	For you guys that are running the TST in the affected trucks do you notice your EGT's going out of control? It kind of makes me worry a little even though I have a 12/05 build motor. But on the other hand I havent seen my EGT's go above 1350 for more than a few seconds. I hope they can figure out what the issue is. __________________ 2006 Dodge 2500 4x4 Megacab, BD Towing Twins, BD Intercooler, Goerends Tranny with Billet Flexplate and Input Shaft, DTT Shift Enhanser, Smarty/Edge EZ Stack, Walbro Performance Kit, Big Line Kit, 2 Micron Filter Kit, CFM Intake, C2 AutoMeter Gauges, Carli Leveling Kit, F1 40hp Injectors, II Modded CP3, Tuff Country Traction Bars, and ARP Studs. New Truck: 2007 DRW 3500 2wd Megacab Laramie 5.9 auto, Bone Stock for now...