Smarty Jr. Question. - Page 2

pluguglyinhere · 10-31-2009, 12:13 AM

I have an 06 auto, and have had the smarty jr on for about 5000 miles now. I am testing the performance versus economy setting again. I ran a tank on performance then one on economy and did better with economy. I ran a few on economy then and am going to run a few on performance to see again.

I have the auto and drive like a grandma so I am not worried about my tranny. I am sure that the more you beat on it even without power adders it will weaken it, so adding power and beatin on it will only do more.

I love mine, the one thing that would make it the total bomb is someone explaining the settings. There are hundreds of posts and opinions. I am talking about the torque and timing adjustments. You can select default-1-2-3-4 for each. Some say they go in that order with 4 being additional timing and aditional torque through less torque management. Some say 2 is the same as default, some say it was reversed in some versions. I emailed mad and they responded "the smarty jr is designed to be safe for a stock truck so any adjustments are less than default to assure the products safety". This tells me that any adjustment away from default would be less timing advance, and less torque or more torque management.

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Caunck83 · 10-31-2009, 09:59 PM

I'm curious to find out whether your economy setting will produce better numbers over several trials. From what i've heard via this forum, everyone seems to gain the best results power/mpg from the 100hp setting.

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2004 2500 Sport. 6spd. 4x4
Quad Cab

kenz · 10-31-2009, 10:24 PM

I've run my smarty jr. for a year and half now. Up until approx. 2 months ago I had no gauges. I tow a 14k fifth wheel and have it set on the 100hp with timing and torque both on 4. I do play with the truck occasionally, but no hole shots and such. Clutch so far is holding good. I did see about 2mpg increase most of the time. When I got the gauges installed (Quad Scout) my temps never went over 900 towing and empty trying real hard could not get much over 1000. I don't believe gauges are mandatory but they should be on the soon to have list. For the settings this is what I got awhile ago when I updated my jr.

Torque Management
#0 default
#1 stock
#2 mild
#3 soft (less than #2)
#4 light (less than #3)

Injection Timing
#0 default
#1 stock
#2 smarty standard
#3 mild ( less advanced than #2)
#4 advanced (more timing advance than level #2)

Mine now has revo and pod updates. To me the pod is not useful as I don't want to keep it plugged in all the time. I did notice that the 70hp setting creates more smoke than the 100hp setting. And from my observation after the update none of the settings smoke as bad as they did before. Which is both good and bad....

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2005 Quad Cab Dually 2wd 6-spd
AEM Brute force intake, Smarty Jr.
Quadzilla Scout gauges, Aero 4040xl

Caunck83 · 11-02-2009, 01:51 AM

^^^^thanks for the details.

can the jr. be as simple as plug it in, set it to 100hp and forget it or do you have to set each individual setting like torque management and timing like demonstrated above?

thanks

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2004 2500 Sport. 6spd. 4x4
Quad Cab

derrelw · 11-02-2009, 11:44 PM

You can set it and forget it but I keep mine on the performance setting and TM on default and Timing on 2 (less smoke). Runs GREAT!

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BACKTOTHEDARKSIDE · 11-03-2009, 10:15 PM

If i am reading this right it looks like TM on #2 and Injection timimg #4 is the most aggresive setup, is this right ???

Torque Management
#0 default
#1 stock
#2 mild
#3 soft (less than #2)
#4 light (less than #3)

Injection Timing
#0 default
#1 stock
#2 smarty standard
#3 mild ( less advanced than #2)
#4 advanced (more timing advance than level #2

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2500 Cummins · 11-04-2009, 08:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BACKTOTHEDARKSIDE

If i am reading this right it looks like TM on #2 and Injection timimg #4 is the most aggresive setup, is this right ???

Torque Management
#0 default
#1 stock
#2 mild
#3 soft (less than #2)
#4 light (less than #3)

Injection Timing
#0 default
#1 stock
#2 smarty standard
#3 mild ( less advanced than #2)
#4 advanced (more timing advance than level #2

I may be wrong but, I think TM4 and TQ4 is most aggressive. I look at TQ4 as being the lightest torque management, meaning more torque.

I know I ran TQ4 on the 100hp setting for a short while, and could really tell the stronger difference from TQ2.

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06 Ram Quad Cab 4x4 5.9 48RE w/3.73 and Smarty Jr.
Isspro Gauges-Pyro, Boost & Tranny
06 Keystone Cougar 31' Fiver & 02 Crownline 202BR

mjf6175 · 11-04-2009, 02:47 PM

This is the very issue I too was confused about. Did the "mild/milder/mildest" refer to the amount of "Torque Management" or to the amount of "Torque developed over stock"? I asked the question on another board and the answer from someone involved with Smarty said:

"The order of least to most TQ to the ground is 1,4,3,2"

That would then make Timing #4 and Torque #2 the most aggressive settings.

BACKTOTHEDARKSIDE · 11-04-2009, 09:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mjf6175

This is the very issue I too was confused about. Did the "mild/milder/mildest" refer to the amount of "Torque Management" or to the amount of "Torque developed over stock"? I asked the question on another board and the answer from someone involved with Smarty said:

"The order of least to most TQ to the ground is 1,4,3,2"

That would then make Timing #4 and Torque #2 the most aggressive settings.

Thats how i see it

Standing by for verification ??????

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2006 MEGA CAB 2500, Smarty Jr, K&N Filter.

MELEX · 11-04-2009, 09:21 PM

I have been running my smarty jr. for about two months. I can hit 1500 without towing if I keep my foot in it. It is less extreme than the temps I saw with a Dr. P 100 h.p. chip which I did not have to work hard at all to peg the gauge. These are temps that are measured pre turbo. I tow 15k weekly and limit my speed by the temp. I live in mountain country, and the truck gets a good workout. I am still trying to determine mileage. I did several mods at one time and still trying to sort them out. I am running in performance mode and have not played with the settings.

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04 2500 4X4 Auto w/ BD TC, VB, Torqloc, and Mag Hytech deep pan. FASS 150, BD Super B turbo, Smarty Jr., Dr. P 2018, Green intake, Hushpower muff, Isspro gauges, air bags, leveling kit, BW turn over ball hitch. ARB Front bumper as a result of the accident.

Last edited by MELEX : 11-04-2009 at 09:22 PM. Reason: sp

HOD-ISB · 11-04-2009, 11:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BACKTOTHEDARKSIDE

Thats how i see it

Standing by for verification ??????

Depends on the version of the software you have:
version 5.07(pre POD)- timing 4, torque 2
version 5.08- timing 4, torque 4
version 5.09- timing 4, torque 2
version 5.10- timing 4, torque 2

This is the most powerful and responsive settings for each version. This is also the most powerful settings for each power level. It is important to note, however, if you have ever had version 5.08 and updated to another version some people (myself included) have found that the truck must be set back to stock and then reprogrammed for the torque management to be "fixed".

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2006 3500 SRW MC g56 4x4 Laramie / Isspros (FP, EGT, Boost) / GDP MK-2 micron fuel filter / severely allergic to cat & EPA / Smarty Jr 5.09 SW2 Tm4 Tq2 POD45

pluguglyinhere · 11-05-2009, 10:57 AM

I am in the confused crowd and do not know who to believe anymore.

I have another question though, I saw there was an update available, 5.10 and I have 5.09. So should I update every time there is a new version or what?

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2006 CTD 2500 4x4 Quad Cab, issipro tranny, boost and egt guages in the a-pillar. Rail and Fuel Pressure above the mirror. Homemade ram air with intake. 4 inch out, with only an aero. Stock 48RE, hopefully not for long

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pluguglyinhere Cummins Nut Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Clive, Iowa Posts: 365 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post pluguglyinhere's Truck Pics	I have an 06 auto, and have had the smarty jr on for about 5000 miles now. I am testing the performance versus economy setting again. I ran a tank on performance then one on economy and did better with economy. I ran a few on economy then and am going to run a few on performance to see again. I have the auto and drive like a grandma so I am not worried about my tranny. I am sure that the more you beat on it even without power adders it will weaken it, so adding power and beatin on it will only do more. I love mine, the one thing that would make it the total bomb is someone explaining the settings. There are hundreds of posts and opinions. I am talking about the torque and timing adjustments. You can select default-1-2-3-4 for each. Some say they go in that order with 4 being additional timing and aditional torque through less torque management. Some say 2 is the same as default, some say it was reversed in some versions. I emailed mad and they responded "the smarty jr is designed to be safe for a stock truck so any adjustments are less than default to assure the products safety". This tells me that any adjustment away from default would be less timing advance, and less torque or more torque management. __________________ 2006 CTD 2500 4x4 Quad Cab, issipro tranny, boost and egt guages in the a-pillar. Rail and Fuel Pressure above the mirror. Homemade ram air with intake. 4 inch out, with only an aero. Stock 48RE, hopefully not for long

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Caunck83 Cummins Fan Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Vancouver, British Columbia Posts: 48 Thanks: 3 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts Caunck83's Truck Pics	I'm curious to find out whether your economy setting will produce better numbers over several trials. From what i've heard via this forum, everyone seems to gain the best results power/mpg from the 100hp setting. __________________ 2004 2500 Sport. 6spd. 4x4 Quad Cab

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kenz Newbie Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Linwood Michigan Posts: 22 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts kenz's Truck Pics	I've run my smarty jr. for a year and half now. Up until approx. 2 months ago I had no gauges. I tow a 14k fifth wheel and have it set on the 100hp with timing and torque both on 4. I do play with the truck occasionally, but no hole shots and such. Clutch so far is holding good. I did see about 2mpg increase most of the time. When I got the gauges installed (Quad Scout) my temps never went over 900 towing and empty trying real hard could not get much over 1000. I don't believe gauges are mandatory but they should be on the soon to have list. For the settings this is what I got awhile ago when I updated my jr. Torque Management #0 default #1 stock #2 mild #3 soft (less than #2) #4 light (less than #3) Injection Timing #0 default #1 stock #2 smarty standard #3 mild ( less advanced than #2) #4 advanced (more timing advance than level #2) Mine now has revo and pod updates. To me the pod is not useful as I don't want to keep it plugged in all the time. I did notice that the 70hp setting creates more smoke than the 100hp setting. And from my observation after the update none of the settings smoke as bad as they did before. Which is both good and bad.... __________________ 2005 Quad Cab Dually 2wd 6-spd AEM Brute force intake, Smarty Jr. Quadzilla Scout gauges, Aero 4040xl

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Caunck83 Cummins Fan Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Vancouver, British Columbia Posts: 48 Thanks: 3 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts Caunck83's Truck Pics	^^^^thanks for the details. can the jr. be as simple as plug it in, set it to 100hp and forget it or do you have to set each individual setting like torque management and timing like demonstrated above? thanks __________________ 2004 2500 Sport. 6spd. 4x4 Quad Cab

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derrelw Cummins Fan Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Rio Rancho, NM Posts: 90 Thanks: 1 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts derrelw's Truck Pics	You can set it and forget it but I keep mine on the performance setting and TM on default and Timing on 2 (less smoke). Runs GREAT! __________________ 06 3500 SLT QC long bed 4x4 w/ Leveling kit & 285/70/17 BFG KM2's 3.73 gears. Flow Pro muffler / no cat. Pusher intake manifold. True cold air intake. Edge Insight. Powerslot rotors. Smarty JR. Gabriel Max Control shocks.

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BACKTOTHEDARKSIDE Newbie Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 24 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post BACKTOTHEDARKSIDE's Truck Pics	If i am reading this right it looks like TM on #2 and Injection timimg #4 is the most aggresive setup, is this right ??? Torque Management #0 default #1 stock #2 mild #3 soft (less than #2) #4 light (less than #3) Injection Timing #0 default #1 stock #2 smarty standard #3 mild ( less advanced than #2) #4 advanced (more timing advance than level #2 __________________ 2006 MEGA CAB 2500, Smarty Jr, K&N Filter.

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mjf6175 Newbie Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 27 Thanks: 1 Thanked 5 Times in 3 Posts mjf6175's Truck Pics	This is the very issue I too was confused about. Did the "mild/milder/mildest" refer to the amount of "Torque Management" or to the amount of "Torque developed over stock"? I asked the question on another board and the answer from someone involved with Smarty said: "The order of least to most TQ to the ground is 1,4,3,2" That would then make Timing #4 and Torque #2 the most aggressive settings.

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MELEX Cummins Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Rathdrum, Idaho Posts: 116 Thanks: 7 Thanked 6 Times in 6 Posts MELEX's Truck Pics	I have been running my smarty jr. for about two months. I can hit 1500 without towing if I keep my foot in it. It is less extreme than the temps I saw with a Dr. P 100 h.p. chip which I did not have to work hard at all to peg the gauge. These are temps that are measured pre turbo. I tow 15k weekly and limit my speed by the temp. I live in mountain country, and the truck gets a good workout. I am still trying to determine mileage. I did several mods at one time and still trying to sort them out. I am running in performance mode and have not played with the settings. __________________ 04 2500 4X4 Auto w/ BD TC, VB, Torqloc, and Mag Hytech deep pan. FASS 150, BD Super B turbo, Smarty Jr., Dr. P 2018, Green intake, Hushpower muff, Isspro gauges, air bags, leveling kit, BW turn over ball hitch. ARB Front bumper as a result of the accident. Last edited by MELEX : 11-04-2009 at 09:22 PM. Reason: sp

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pluguglyinhere Cummins Nut Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Clive, Iowa Posts: 365 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post pluguglyinhere's Truck Pics	I am in the confused crowd and do not know who to believe anymore. I have another question though, I saw there was an update available, 5.10 and I have 5.09. So should I update every time there is a new version or what? __________________ 2006 CTD 2500 4x4 Quad Cab, issipro tranny, boost and egt guages in the a-pillar. Rail and Fuel Pressure above the mirror. Homemade ram air with intake. 4 inch out, with only an aero. Stock 48RE, hopefully not for long