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Wait to start comes on while driving

I searched and came up with no answers so I'll ask again. My wait to start light will come on while driving. It is accompanied by the chiming sound the truck makes when initially starting up. It seems to be temperature dependent since it didn't happen during warmer weather. The symptoms are as follows:
Outside temp: 49* or less
Truck fully warmed up, usually have been driving for at least 20 min. Hiway or back roads doesn't matter.
The volt meter does not move indicating to me that the grid heater is not actually being energized.
Truck is not throwing codes that I know of.
Will do it on the Smarty or off of it.

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I have had the exact same problem on my 04.5 ever since the dealer did a flash update in December. I haven't had a chance to see if it comes on in the real warm weather as it has not been that warm here.

Mine will activate upon a moderate load being applied. It usually stays on for about 10 seconds to a minute, but will usually go out if I back off the throttle.

I took it back to the dealer once, but it wouldn't manifest (of course). The mechanic was baffled.

I think it has something to do with the last flash they did. Did yours start doing it after a dealer visit? I've owned this truck for about 4 years, and have owned 2 other 04.5's and have never seen this happen before.
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fodie did you recently update your smarty? do you have the newest update?

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I last updated my smarty in September or October. I haven't checked to see if another one is out since then. I bought the truck in October 2010 and have had it at the dealer twice since then. Once to do the 60k service and the other to fix something they screwed up doing the 60k service. I don't know if they hooked it up to their computer the first time in. I told them not to the second time in since it was tuned at the time and I was too lazy to take it off.

Anyway, the smarty doesn't matter since it does it with or without the tuner. It didn't do it at all today but did it 3 times yesterday. I just don't get it.

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Anyway, the smarty doesn't matter since it does it with or without the tuner. It didn't do it at all today but did it 3 times yesterday. I just don't get it.
the smarty does still matter.. mine did it with the smarty on or off the truck.. when your smarty is loaded to your truck it doesnt take your stock truck software and memorize it. instead when you update the smarty it is pre loaded with the latest chrysler flash so when you load your truck up and set it back to stock you dont have your actaul previous stock program in your truck, you have a NEW and different stock program in your truck!

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I see what you're saying. I can't remember if I had the smarty on the truck the first time it happened. I have updated the smarty since the first occurance tho. Any ideas why the smarty would cause this? Do you really think its the smarty?

BTW if I delete the grid heater, what do I do with the leads?

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according to bob its not actaully a smarty problem but a problem with some of the latest chrysler software, it may not cooperate with some trucks but not all will have the problem. Mine was one that it didnt like! The problem your describing is IDENTICAL to mine, so i would say theres a good chance it could be the smarty flash! it is definately worth it to try! Updating the smarty will not help though, you are going to have to go back to an older SW.

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My 2007 ram 2500 did this today for the first time ever . It was 65 degree weather driving home from Los angles . It did it a few times .i lost no power and nothing changed .i just kept driving.only thing done to my truck is a air intake and edge chip and a aftermarket muffler. I sure would like to know why it happened?

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Spent a couple hours at the dealer yesterday trying to diagnose this problem that occurred with my 04.5. As previously mentioned, I first noticed it about 10 minutes down the road after doing a software update on my truck. So far they haven't charged me for the time spent trying to see what the issue is.

So it seems that it takes a prolonged acceleration at or around 2000 rpm to trigger my light. This means that pulling a trailer, it happens almost every acceleration. if you punch it real hard, it doesn't do it. If you are empty, it usually doesn't do it unless you are accelerating up a grade.

Chrysler on first contact by my dealer kind of brushed it off. Dealer is going to contact them again.

The mechanic re flashed everything again and it still does it. Sounds like a software issue in the engine computer, as the cable that feeds that info to the instrument cluster serves more than just this light. If it were a cable issue, we would have all sorts of lights and warnings.

I have left my edge computer disconnected for all this time in between so that it doesn't interfere, but I was thinking I would reconnect it just to see if the engine computer can be fooled and not do it. I know it likely won't help as its a dodge thing, but maybe that part of the programming could be bypassed by the edge. I've got nothing to loose.

I think its a bug in the latest update software. What do you guys think?

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That all makes sense to me. Now that I think about it, my light comes on at virtually the same spot on the way to work. It's a slight incline for about a mile and the speed limit is 50 MPH. With a car or 2 in front of me the truck may not lock out in top gear so I could be turning 2000 RMP or there about all the way up the grade. Thinking even harder about it, the light doesn't come on under heavy acceleration, or going down hill, as you stated edgeair. I have had it happen on a flat road like the hiway once or twice but mostly going up a grade at light throttle where the revs could hang out at 2000 for a bit. Thanks for sharing this, I going to go do some experimenting.

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That happened to me as i was coming down a mountain from about 30* to 50* and it was dinging and the light was on, i cleared the code and it hasn't came back since.

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That happened to me as i was coming down a mountain from about 30* to 50* and it was dinging and the light was on, i cleared the code and it hasn't came back since.
You got a code on yours? I have not got a code any time this light came on. Thats part of the problem, can't determine where the problem is exactly

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