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post #1 of 50 (permalink) Old 09-26-2013, 03:59 PM Thread Starter
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EGR Delete for 2013 6.7

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I heard that there are no current kits to remove the EGR/DPF from the 2013 6.7. Other that the DEF kit, the motors are the same aren't they? I found this kit which claims to be for 2013s. Anyone have any wisdom on this?

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Motors are similar but different... '13+ motors don't use nearly the same amount of EGR because of the addition of DEF.

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The issue you run into is on the ECM side of things. there is no delele tuning out yet.

you can proabalby physically delete a truck right now with the that kit and a new exhaust but you ECM is not going to like it.

proabalby just throw codes and go into some limp mode.

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I guess my first question would be....why? The 13's are getting great mileage and the EPA stuff is pretty much transparent to the user now. Oil changes are out to 15k miles as well as fuel filters.

I personally don't see the economic benefit at this point in time.
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I guess my first question would be....why? The 13's are getting great mileage and the EPA stuff is pretty much transparent to the user now. Oil changes are out to 15k miles as well as fuel filters.

I personally don't see the economic benefit at this point in time.
Agreed, unless you are just looking for high HP, there really isn't the need.

I avg high 18s low 19s over 11k miles and have maybe used 8-10gallon of def.

It also has a lot of power and tq

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You benefit in the long run by deleting the egr. After time the the soot in the exhaust gases coat the walls of the intake and choke the motor down so it can breath and you start to loose mpg. This can especially happen if the egr cooler started to leak moister into the exhaust and makes the soot stick to the walls. It doesn't take a big leak to do this.

What an egr can do to an intake.

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You benefit in the long run by deleting the egr. After time the the soot in the exhaust gases coat the walls of the intake and choke the motor down so it can breath and you start to loose mpg. This can especially happen if the egr cooler started to leak moister into the exhaust and makes the soot stick to the walls. It doesn't take a big leak to do this.

What an egr can do to an intake.

http://www.underhoodservice.com/Cont...0000052256.jpg

and that's from old non SCR engine, at the moment, there is no one with SCR that would have had enough miles to have reason to open intake and see if there is soot.

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and that's from old non SCR engine, at the moment, there is no one with SCR that would have had enough miles to have reason to open intake and see if there is soot.
First time EVER I find myself 100% agreeing with kleinbus. (Bolded for emphasis)

At this point, we have no evidence the amount of EGR cycles comes close to that of the NON-EGR system. Meaning -- the SCR system with DEF is doing much of the NOx work that the EGR alone did on the non-SCR system. (Did I say that right?)

Anyway -- the ECM on the 2013 trucks is so sophisticated that if you went to unplug or remove the EGR without a RACE / DELETE tuner (which doesn't exist yet for a 2013+), you'll have a mess on your hands.

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2010-2012 deleted no egr oil still looks new after 5k, 2013 oil is black after 5 miles because the egr is sucking exhaust into the motor. they say the egr is less than the previous years and that you can go 15k between oil changes...all this from the same people that cant design a properly functioning fuel fill inlet.

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Without full deletes , deleting the EGR would cause more DEF usage to combat emissions the EGR was aiding to reduce. It's all or nothing when deleting emissions.
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2010-2012 deleted no egr oil still looks new after 5k, 2013 oil is black after 5 miles because the egr is sucking exhaust into the motor. they say the egr is less than the previous years and that you can go 15k between oil changes...all this from the same people that cant design a properly functioning fuel fill inlet.
Man -- you sound bitter.

I find it amazing you buy truck(s) from a company that "cant design a properly functioning fuel fill inlet." That's like complaining about McDonald's after you've woofed down 3 Big Macs and said they don't know how to make a hamburger.

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Without full deletes , deleting the EGR would cause more DEF usage to combat emissions the EGR was aiding to reduce. It's all or nothing when deleting emissions.
Yup. On these 2013's, you're not going to just be able to disable / remove what you don't like without addressing the ECM / PCM and the monitors at some point.

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all this from the same people that cant design a properly functioning fuel fill inlet.
Most function properly. I am betting the ones that don't are using fillers that are too short to open the second flap fully...

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