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n middle of trip - Need help with codes

We're 100 miles into a 400 mile trip pulling our fifth wheel with our '16 3500 Cummins. The check engine light came on. Went to a nearby Autozone to read codes:

P203F Reductant Level Too Low
P218F

No messages on EVIC.

DEF issue? Should we take a chance and finish the trip or head back home?

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How much def do you have left? Maybe either drain what you have or if it's low enough full with date verified new def and reset code? See what it gets you?
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Yea what's you def gauge reading? Might be getting crystalized some if your getting low, I'd try topping it off

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We're 100 miles into a 400 mile trip pulling our fifth wheel with our '16 3500 Cummins. The check engine light came on. Went to a nearby Autozone to read codes:

P203F Reductant Level Too Low
P218F

No messages on EVIC.

DEF issue? Should we take a chance and finish the trip or head back home?

Thanks!
P218F is "REDUCTANT NO FLOW DETECTED"

And you know the other one.

So, either the DEF tank is empty, or you have an issue with sensors.

If you keep going you are very likely to get the shutdown warning.

So, if you show plenty of DEF in the tank, and you have tried adding more and can't get any in, then a trip to the dealer is in order.

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Hopefully whatever dealer you end up going too, doesn't pull the ole' "Didn't use Mopar DEF" bullsh** on you. If that does happen, tell them you need to see where in the manual or any other written directive from Fiat that one is required to use Mopar DEF.

Good Luck. I just HATE it when these things happen when one is on vacation.

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Hopefully whatever dealer you end up going too, doesn't pull the ole' "Didn't use Mopar DEF" bullsh** on you. If that does happen, tell them you need to see where in the manual or any other written directive from Fiat that one is required to use Mopar DEF.

Good Luck. I just HATE it when these things happen when one is on vacation.
More torque .....Wonder if you can erase the fault and continue. Where are you ? Dealer near by?

Minnow is right this sucks.

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Hopefully whatever dealer you end up going too, doesn't pull the ole' "Didn't use Mopar DEF" bullsh** on you. If that does happen, tell them you need to see where in the manual or any other written directive from Fiat that one is required to use Mopar DEF.



Good Luck. I just HATE it when these things happen when one is on vacation.


That would be illegal per the magnuson-moss warranty act, unless they provided it for free.


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That would be illegal per the magnuson-moss warranty act, unless they provided it for free.


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Yeah, I know it's illegal but if the Service Manager is an *** , what's your recourse ? Hire an attorney and sue 'em ? This Mopar DEF BS is a well discussed issue both here and on other forums.

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Yeah, I know it's illegal but if the Service Manager is an *** , what's your recourse ? Hire an attorney and sue 'em ? This Mopar DEF BS is a well discussed issue both here and on other forums.


The service manager is the gate keeper to your warranty? Seems rather simple to get around him.


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Really appreciate everybody takin' the time to reply!

About 2 hours later, after several restarts for food and fuel, the check engine light magically turned off. That was a relief. We weren't sure if that dreaded limp-mode countdown was going to start.

We've decided to chance the remaining part of our trip tomorrow. We're spending 2 weeks on the S. CA. coast. If the CEL does come on again (and it goes into a limp-mode countdown) there shouldn't be any shortage of dealers to visit.

FWIW, the DEF gauge indicates 3/4 full. I put in 2.5 gal of Blue DEF (about 30 days old according to the date code) from a completely taped/sealed box with a factory sealed cap about three weeks ago. I always take pics of the DEF box/container, date code, and receipt every time I purchase DEF. Not sure how much weight that'll carry with the dealer in the event of any DEF quality issues, but figure it's gotta be better than nothing.

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I'd top off the DEF tank and clear all codes, if its a real issue the code should come right back. I've cleared several codes in the last 22,000 miles of my 3500 truck's life and non have returned. Get you a code reader they are cheap and keep it in your truck. I know when a code comes up it freaks you out, but all these computers run like MS windows and get confused every now and then and need to be reset. If figure if its a real issue then after clearing the same code 3 time then its a real issue possibly. The bogus codes don't come up often, but i know it freaks me out when one pops up. I clear it with my code reader and move on.
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The service manager is the gate keeper to your warranty? Seems rather simple to get around him.


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I'm sure many of us could benefit from your knowledge on this. How would one get the dealership to commence a warranty repair where the SM has refused to do so? It's reasonable to assume that the GM and/or owner will not overturn the SM's decision. And I highly doubt a simple phone call to Fiat will result in anything positive either.
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