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post #109 of 134 (permalink) Old 01-10-2017, 12:38 PM
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Your post makes no sense to me.

You started discussing your 10 year old truck in the 2013+ section and then saying that these 4th gen trucks suck except for the Cummins engine based upon your experiences with your 10 year old truck.

The 3rd gens were built during a time period where Chrysler was enduring much difficulty. They had cerberus capital who bled the company dry and invested nothing in product development and improvement. And then the failed merger of equals with MB. During this time period they invested little in the body / chassis development. Much of the changes / improvements were to the Cummins engines which did improve because Cummins kept updating them -- all the way to the common rail systems beginning in 2004.

Though decent, the 3rd gen trucks did not have a proper investment of resources to keep up to the competition.

Playing Catchup -- Starting in 2009 for the 1500's and 2010 for the 2500 / 3500 / C&C trucks they made huge investments in body, fit, finish and paint. The 2010-2012 trucks were the first step. The 2013+ trucks were the 2nd step with HUGE upgrades in computer management, electronics, features and creature comforts.

Now you said you rented a 2015 (? possibly) truck and it was better but you don't say what's wrong with it. So your points are now quite foggy.

I bought a 2017 6.4L HEMI 2500 4x4 Laramie Crew Cab. It doesn't suck. The quality, fit, finish and interior materials are stunning. It has zero delivery defects and initial quality is 100%. I'm embarrassingly picky.

I think you're wrong and living in the past and stating very old "conventional wisdom" which is wholly inaccurate in 2017.

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I am terribly sorry. It is clear that I broke forum rules/etiquette, and posted in a section that I am not allowed to post in. I saw the thread in the 'recent discussion' section on the right side of my browser window, and forgot to check if my truck fell into that category or not, before reading the thread.

I am extremely happy that you are pleased with your Ram HEMI truck. I wish you all the best with it moving forward.

Have a nice day
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post #110 of 134 (permalink) Old 01-10-2017, 01:14 PM
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Cummins makes engines. why wold they want to build a truck for? spend billions on R&D, billions on a factory, to get 0 return....They do sell a great deal of 6.7's to FCA, but it wont affect there bottom line if the deal breaks. It's all about the Benjamins.
I have walked the production floor at the "B" plant more times than I can count. I can assure you that if Cummins motors stopped going into Ram trucks their bottom line would be affected.
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I rememberwhen I bought my first cummins in 1991. The salesman was a tool, kept trying to sell me a gasser.....he was sure the cummins thing was just a fad, they wouldn't be around in a year or two......and when I went to sell it, I would have a hard time giving it away.....

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I have walked the production floor at the "B" plant more times than I can count. I can assure you that if Cummins motors stopped going into Ram trucks their bottom line would be affected.
At the rate the EPA and CARB are going, they will drive us all into Hemi's more than the loss of Cummins would. Many things to be said about the lack of smog devices on the 6.4. But the power of the Cummins beats it. If a non-Cummins diesel with no smog devices could be had, many would leave the Cummins.
Fit and finish is better but who would think the 3rd brake light would leak.
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Mr. Guzzler,

I am terribly sorry. It is clear that I broke forum rules/etiquette, and posted in a section that I am not allowed to post in. I saw the thread in the 'recent discussion' section on the right side of my browser window, and forgot to check if my truck fell into that category or not, before reading the thread.

I am extremely happy that you are pleased with your Ram HEMI truck. I wish you all the best with it moving forward.

Have a nice day
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Why thank you. I wish you the same with your 3rd gen truck!

I'm sure everyone appreciates everyone's input in all parts of the forum regardless of the truck they're lucky enough to own. I didn't mean to suggest that because someone owns something (or doesn't own something) they can't opine. Of course anyone can have an opinion. I would just debate the logic of the comparisons.

I hope, if you want one, that someday you get a 4th gen truck. I think you'd be very impressed -- and not just because of the engine you choose.

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Fit and finish is better but who would think the 3rd brake light would leak.
You're not kidding. That center brake light issue is unacceptable. I'm going to open mine when I replace the bulbs with LED's and seal it up good so I won't have to worry.


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So the guy on Fb is full of shiite then. He's saying that once Fiat has used up the ''remaining Cummins engines they will be installing their own. Love my I-6 cummins and would never want to go to a V8.
Cummins builds a V8. It's in the Nissan Titan XD.

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I'm too poor now to ever buy a new diesel truck whoever makes the engine. I saw a GM Duramax for $78k. The prices of today's heavy duty trucks are insane. I will say I'd buy a Nissan/Cummins before I would ever buy a Ram/Ecodiesel. It's cheaper to fix things to keep my truck going than fork out the insane money for a new truck. My trucks paid for, reliable, and will be driven into the ground.
I'm with you on that. When you say, "These trucks are rediculously overpriced," most like to reply, "Don't be a hater because you can't afford one." That's not even the case. I can afford one, but that's a sick amount of change for something over valued. I know guys that will trade in their 2 year old truck just as soon as a change is made in the looks, something as stupid as a new headlight look, or "look how they changed up the grill," "U see that new crease they put in the fender? " lol ... whether the truck has made a gain in performance or not.
Ford done went vertical with that silver tag on the front fender, y'all watch out and don't get ran over by that goofball hauling tail to go trade in his outdated 2016. Lmao.
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I'm too poor now to ever buy a new diesel truck whoever makes the engine. I saw a GM Duramax for $78k. The prices of today's heavy duty trucks are insane. I will say I'd buy a Nissan/Cummins before I would ever buy a Ram/Ecodiesel. It's cheaper to fix things to keep my truck going than fork out the insane money for a new truck. My trucks paid for, reliable, and will be driven into the ground.
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I'm with you on that. When you say, "These trucks are rediculously overpriced," most like to reply, "Don't be a hater because you can't afford one." That's not even the case. I can afford one, but that's a sick amount of change for something over valued. I know guys that will trade in their 2 year old truck just as soon as a change is made in the looks, something as stupid as a new headlight look, or "look how they changed up the grill," "U see that new crease they put in the fender? " lol ... whether the truck has made a gain in performance or not.
Ford done went vertical with that silver tag on the front fender, y'all watch out and don't get ran over by that goofball hauling tail to go trade in his outdated 2016. Lmao.
The price creep on the new diesel trucks is nothing short of shocking. Oftentimes people try to blame it on "expensive emissions systems" but when you look at gas vehicles, the same price creep can be found there.

It's due to cheap money financing. The more borrowers willing to line up for a shearing via long term loans, the more you can charge for the "prize." As somebody who prefers to pay cash for things, I'm not enamored of the situation, but I carry on with my life and just continue to live debt free, knowing I'll buy something at a fire sale during the next recession, be it new from a dealer or slightly used from somebody who hung themselves on a debt noose.
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The price creep on the new diesel trucks is nothing short of shocking. Oftentimes people try to blame it on "expensive emissions systems" but when you look at gas vehicles, the same price creep can be found there.

It's due to cheap money financing. The more borrowers willing to line up for a shearing via long term loans, the more you can charge for the "prize." As somebody who prefers to pay cash for things, I'm not enamored of the situation, but I carry on with my life and just continue to live debt free, knowing I'll buy something at a fire sale during the next recession, be it new from a dealer or slightly used from somebody who hung themselves on a debt noose.
Right on!!!

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And I misspelled "ridiculously." I knew it didn't look right.

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